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"There is no Trump-Russia collusion and the media should stop pushing this"

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posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 07:27 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Gothmog

Except in this case, the would-be tyrant is a political party hell-bent staying in power.

As it was , so is it now




posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 07:31 PM
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originally posted by: Arnie123

originally posted by: kurthall
He was not Vindicated of the Russia investigation and Muller, your grasping... Did mueller say the investigation is over and trump is cleared? If so I'd like to see that.




HAHAHA, this is rich. You want to hear it from Muellers mouth personally?

Let me guess, you prefer pictures in your books, easier to understand?

Fight the fight, till the absolute end, huh? If you must...



Hey, uh, last time I checked Muller did not say the investigation was over, all that was said, if you can understand is. Regarding THESE 13 Russians No American was knowingly involved with them. That includes trump.

It does not say no Americans or the trump camp or even trump himself did not colluded with Russia. Just not with these 13 people.

Its a fact Flynn met with Russians, and Popadopalus....these do not go away, and Bannon just spent 20 hours with Muller.

To you, somehow an interntet scam against the U.S. regaurding all of those charges in the indictments, you think its all said and done.....No just these 13 indicted Russians.




posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 07:43 PM
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originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: rockintitz

Butt hurt is a perfect term to describe this


We have a neighbor who has been crying since Hillary fell on her face
We call him " Butt Hurt Kurt"



posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 07:44 PM
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a reply to: JBurns



All I can say now, is see you next week, when the next Bannon is being questioned, and I say thought you said it was over. That is EXACTLY what is going to happen to you all, who seem to be ridiculously claiming, Ding Dong the Witch is Dead.

Here you guys celebrate, See you next thread about the INVESTIGATION.

In the meantime listen to Sarah Hukabee Sanders, let her sooth you...and then Ding Dong The Witch is Dead.










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posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 07:44 PM
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Too bad, so sad, the investigation isn't over, not just yet.




There is no sign yet of the investigation reaching an end.

Mueller still wants to interview Trump himself, for one.

And his team is following other leads, apparently, such as financial connections between the Trump Organization, the president’s real estate business, and Russia.

www.rawstory.com...

Oh did any of you notice this from last week?

A federal court just unsealed Trump’s 20-year-old dirty secrets



Ivanka and Eric Trump were close to being criminally charged for their roles in Trump SoHo until family fixer attorney Marc Kasowitz intervened, and was later discovered to have given a substantial political donation to the Manhattan D.A. Cyrus Vance.

A racketeering and fraud lawsuit against Sater and Bayrock is still in the discovery phase in federal court, after he lost a motion to dismiss the case at the end of December 2016. Bayrock whistleblower Jody Kriss is one of the plaintiffs and told all about Trump’s dirty deal to Bloomberg.

washingtonpress.com...

K~

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posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 07:54 PM
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a reply to: aethertek

Do you have any real sources for that material?

Rawstory and "Washington Press" don't exactly inspire confidence.

meanwhile, we have a sweeping indictment that specifically lays out Trump not being involved in the conspiracy.

There are no other elements of this story. What elements are you referring to, exactly?

These 13 Russians (and other incidentals) are the sum of this work. They wouldn't publish that otherwise. They'd just leave Trump/team out of it, like they did in ALL the other indictments.

It is sad, because I know you are pushing a specific narrative yet I continue to reply as though this is a typical conversation.

My sources were TheHill, US Courts, US DOJ OCS, etc. Please don't try to use unvetted sources like that to add additional confusion to the narrative. Your narrative is in quite the deep hole, and I sincerely hope you recognize what kind of wishful thinking it takes to continue to peddle it.

It truly has been debunked. Just like every other single attack you guys mount on Trump, this too has failed. Give it up already. Or don't. You're going to get him re-elected at this pace. Being sick and tired of arrogant Dems was exactly what got him elected the first time
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posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 07:59 PM
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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: JBurns

This indictment is about low level contacts. Let's wait for testimony from Flynn, Manafort, Popadopaulos, etc, etc, etc.... Tick tock.



Yeah coz they know what's going on.

Low hanging fruit.

Manafort worked with the Podestas and was charged with a crime during his time with them.

Papadop was drunk and shooting his mouth off somewhere if we are to believe.

Flynn did nothing wrong as NSA in a transitional admin.

Ya gots nuttin.

Mueller gots nuttin.

#stopthemadness

You guys are playing into the russian hands! Can't you see that?!




posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 08:02 PM
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originally posted by: Harpua

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
The more you say this the more others will say there was collusion. It's basically turned into something that is solely based on personal opinion and bias seeing as how muddy they've made the waters surrounding the issue.

There is no truth to any of it, just a ploy to divide us. When will people start waking up to this fact?


I can agree with this wholeheartedly.

"Experts say the goal of Russian troll propagandists isn't to sway people's opinions in one way or another. Instead, the accounts seek to exploit divisions in order to break down society into smaller, warring groups. Trolls drum up persona accounts on every side of the ideological spectrum and take advantage of high-impact events to spread confusion and disarray."



Why fall for such an obvious ploy?

Are you challenged in some way?




posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 08:04 PM
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originally posted by: kurthall
a reply to: JBurns

Oh, I know. Just Like Trump junior did not have a meeting at trump tower with Russians. Nor are Flynn or Papadopoulos indicted.




Did he buy a dossier?

Did he commission one?

Who let the russian in, on a special visa?

Ya gots nuttin.







posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 08:08 PM
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originally posted by: kurthall

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: aethertek

He was completely vindicated today.



USCourts.GOV

For a conspiracy to have existed, it is not necessary that the conspirators made a formal agreement or that they agreed on every detail of the conspiracy. It is not enough, however, that they simply met, discussed matters of common interest, acted in similar ways, or perhaps helped one another. You must find that there was a plan to commit at least one of the crimes alleged in the indictment as an object of the conspiracy with all of you agreeing as to the particular crime which the conspirators agreed to commit.

One becomes a member of a conspiracy by willfully participating in the unlawful plan with the intent to advance or further some object or purpose of the conspiracy, even though the person does not have full knowledge of all the details of the conspiracy. Furthermore, one who willfully joins an existing conspiracy is as responsible for it as the originators. On the other hand, one who has no knowledge of a conspiracy, but happens to act in a way which furthers some object or purpose of the conspiracy, does not thereby become a conspirator. Similarly, a person does not become a conspirator merely by associating with one or more persons who are conspirators, nor merely by knowing that a conspiracy exists.

www3.ce9.uscourts.gov...

Good luck proving any of that after today's CONCLUSION on Trump/camp involvement.




It also says that some of the Russians posed as U.S. people and communicated with “unwitting individuals associated with the Trump Campaign and with other political activists to seek to coordinate political activities.”

Rosenstein noted that there is no allegation in the indictment that Americans had any knowledge of the operation.


thehill.com...
.......

The jig is up guys. Your narrative is debunked. No knowledge means no knowledge. Rod Rosenstein: "No allegation in the indictment that Americans had any knowledge of the operation."





No Americans had any knowledge they were talking to Russians regarding these particular indictments not over all people.

This in no way means the investigation is over and Flynn and Papadopoulos have been indicted because of the Russia investigation. Stop acting like this is an end game regarding the investigation.


People in trump's Inner circle and Russia go hand-in-hand that is the bottom line.





#ing indicted for what??!!!

Crimes outside of the campaign.

Years before.

Dream on mofos.



#, when did tyler turn into bob marley?


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posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 08:12 PM
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I don't understand why Mueller doesn't indite this SOB.

www.breitbart.com...

Billionaire open-borders activist George Soros has demanded the European Union (EU) regulate social media because voters’ minds are being controlled and “manipulated”.

The speculator, who runs one of the largest campaigning groups in the world and is noted for his interference in foreign politics and elections, said ultimately unregulated social media threatened democracy and the “integrity of elections”.



posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 08:13 PM
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Oh noes I guess the large lady ain't done belting them out yet.

Manafort hit with another bank fraud charge by Mueller: report



One-time Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort has been hit with yet another bank fraud charge by special counsel Robert Mueller in his investigation into potential collusion between the Kremlin and the president’s campaign.

Politico reported Friday night that Mueller’s office has found “additional criminal conduct” since Manafort was indicted in October for committing bank fraud and failing to register as a foreign agent.

This story is developing …

www.rawstory.com...

This story is developing …LOL, so is the investigation into Trump & associates criminality.


K~



posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 08:18 PM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: JBurns
There is no Trump-Russia collusion and the media should stop pushing this

thehill.com...


All of the breathless rumor-mongering, the briefings, the innuendo, all based on a fake dossier, has spun up the narrative of Trump-Russia collusion. Yet, there’s simply no "there" there, after more than 18 months of investigation.

It’s a house-of-cards narrative with no facts to support it. No matter how badly many on the political left want Trump’s “”collusion” to be true, it is desperately hard to turn fairytales into facts.

While many on the left cling to their sad dreams, more and more evidence is mounting that the real collusion was, in fact, between Democrats and Russia, involving the Obama administration and the Clinton campaign.

In banana republics, the party in power weaponizes the state against political opponents to stay in power. It’s becoming clearer by the day that Obama’s DOJ, FBI, State Department and even the CIA were weaponized against Trump.

With the thin excuse of the Steele dossier, it’s becoming far more believable that, instead of being for national security reasons, all of this was spun up for political reasons. One can argue that Trump the Outsider was an existential threat to the administrative state, and also to the justice and intelligence communities which, over the course of decades, have seemingly decided they are above the law and immune to congressional oversight.

What is equally shameful in all of this is the media’s complicity. It has acted as mouthpieces for lawless administrative-state actors and agents of Russian misinformation, by swallowing hook, line and sinker the dossier’s contents and running with that information.

It also apparently is completely disinterested, distinctly uncurious, as to what actually happened in 2016 with our government agencies. Many in the press apparently have no problem with partisan propaganda being used to destroy our civil liberties and Fourth Amendment rights. In their self-righteous crusade to bring down the “evil” Trump, the ends justify the means — so damn the inconvenient facts.

This behavior of the media is just as troubling as the behavior of the various governmental agencies. For there to be transparency and accountability in government, there has to be a free, honest and objective press, not one that is simply the propaganda arm of the Democratic Party and the administrative state.


Not to mention that today's indictments against 13 Russian nationals accused of defrauding the United States specifically states they had attempted to *contact* Trumps campaign under misleading and manipulative pretenses. It also states the Trump campaign was unaware they had communicated with individuals from Russia, who were posing as Americans using false identifications.

Time for the media to stop pushing this irresponsible narrative. At this point, the evidence more than suggests NO TRUMP "COLLUSION"


This is just. First mention of my imagination..

“Good morning
Emin just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting.
The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.
This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump - helped along by Aras and Emin.
What do you think is the best way to handle this information and would you be able to speak to Emin about it directly?
I can also send this info to your father via Rhona, but it is ultra sensitive so wanted to send to you first.
Best
Rob Goldstone”


Hi friend, I am a Nigerian Prince...




posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 08:18 PM
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a reply to: aethertek


Wrong again kiddo.

Manafort's crimes span more than a decade. Just as this Russia stuff started in 2013 and is still on-going (including activities against Trump)

No, their inclusion of Trump's "unwitting" status means exactly what many on the left are just now figuring out.

Some posters out there, who are actually paid to peddle this anti-Trump propaganda, will never see that. Fortunately it doesn't really matter.



posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 08:22 PM
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originally posted by: visitedbythem

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: rockintitz

Butt hurt is a perfect term to describe this


We have a neighbor who has been crying since Hillary fell on her face
We call him " Butt Hurt Kurt"


LMFAO!!! Nice one



posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 08:23 PM
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originally posted by: aethertek
Too bad, so sad, the investigation isn't over, not just yet.




There is no sign yet of the investigation reaching an end.

Mueller still wants to interview Trump himself, for one.

And his team is following other leads, apparently, such as financial connections between the Trump Organization, the president’s real estate business, and Russia.

www.rawstory.com...

Oh did any of you notice this from last week?

A federal court just unsealed Trump’s 20-year-old dirty secrets



Ivanka and Eric Trump were close to being criminally charged for their roles in Trump SoHo until family fixer attorney Marc Kasowitz intervened, and was later discovered to have given a substantial political donation to the Manhattan D.A. Cyrus Vance.

A racketeering and fraud lawsuit against Sater and Bayrock is still in the discovery phase in federal court, after he lost a motion to dismiss the case at the end of December 2016. Bayrock whistleblower Jody Kriss is one of the plaintiffs and told all about Trump’s dirty deal to Bloomberg.

washingtonpress.com...

K~
Yup and as such, they won't find anything. If it appears that Mueller is overstepping his perimeters, Trump will fire him. Because he can, you DO KNOW THAT, RIGHT? 😏



posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 08:24 PM
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originally posted by: visitedbythem

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: rockintitz

Butt hurt is a perfect term to describe this


We have a neighbor who has been crying since Hillary fell on her face
We call him " Butt Hurt Kurt"


Nice one!

We had one neighbor that was upset after the election but they surprisingly got over it without too much bitterness especially once she started blaming everything but herself (in typical Shillary fashion). Oddly enough it was her failure to once again take responsibility that really sealed the deal for many Americans

Hopefully no party ever has the "brilliant idea" to run Hillary. Ever again



posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 08:25 PM
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originally posted by: aethertek
Oh noes I guess the large lady ain't done belting them out yet.

Manafort hit with another bank fraud charge by Mueller: report



One-time Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort has been hit with yet another bank fraud charge by special counsel Robert Mueller in his investigation into potential collusion between the Kremlin and the president’s campaign.

Politico reported Friday night that Mueller’s office has found “additional criminal conduct” since Manafort was indicted in October for committing bank fraud and failing to register as a foreign agent.

This story is developing …

www.rawstory.com...

This story is developing …LOL, so is the investigation into Trump & associates criminality.


K~
Back to Manafort, who, with little amount of time he had with the administration, had his own thing going on, apart from Trump and the fake russo collusion BS made up by sad leftist liberals.

Try again.



posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 08:28 PM
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a reply to: Arnie123

Isn't it sad how bad they're grasping for straws now?

Apparently explaining to her and silly about Mueller's exoneration of Trump RE: conspiracy precludes them from charging him with said conspiracy. The US code specifically exempts every single thing these two have accused. The indictments also cover the entire spectrum of conduct Dems have alleged.

I don't know what else they feel is left, but they are sadly mistaken.

This *is* the INFORMATION WARFARE they've falsely referred to as "hacking" throughout this debacle.

Glad to see so many other posters aware of reality A/Ox3



posted on Feb, 16 2018 @ 08:30 PM
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a reply to: aethertek

Yeah.... about those....


1. Defendants PAUL J. MANAFORT, JR., (MANAFORT) and RICHARD W. GATES Ill
(GA TES) served for years as political consultants and lobbyist'i. Between at least 2006 and 2015,
MANAFORT and GATES acted as unregistered agents of the Government of Ukraine, the Party
of Regions ( a Ukrainian political party whose leader Victor Yanukovych was President from 2010
to 2014), Yanukovych, and the Opposition Bloc (a successor to the Party of Regions that formed
in 2014 when Yanukovych fled to Russia). MANAFORT and GATES generated tens of millions
of dollars in income as a result of their Ukraine work. 111 order to hide Ukraine payments from
United States authorities, from approximately 2006 through at least 2016, MAN AF ORT and
OATES laundered the money through scores of United States and foreign corporations,
partnerships, and bank accounts.


NOTHING. TO. DO. WITH. TRUMP.

www.justice.gov...

Don't listen to SillyolAeatherTech's propaganda. Here are the totality of indictments & publicly released information from the SCO
www.justice.gov...
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