Enough is enough. Public massacres and school shootings must stop.

a reply to: roadgravel

Yes it is. That's the easy way, the hard way, the only way that stands a chance of working, is deal with the person at risk. Face to face. Helping them deal with whatever the issue is. Empathy is what's required, not more laws against things.

That's what you said...it bore repeating.

a reply to: Willtell

it was not a gun that caused this massacre but the person pulling the trigger.

Due to laws it was a lack of a gun that prevented staff from stopping the shooter.

a reply to: Xcathdra

I’m not getting in any gun control dispute, it’s a waste of time

you could have all your guns

Where I live it very rare that anyone shoots anyone. And it's not due to a lack of firearms.

originally posted by: Willtell

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Willtell

The culture where there are more guns than people

You mean that culture where 99.99% of the people that live in this country don't ever get shot.

That 'gun culture'?

So the massive population of 350 million people is the thing you depend on

So what a few thousand kids get slaughtered now and then

That’s only a small percentage

Boy oh boy

About 450k Americans die each year from smoking / smoking related illnesses.
35k+/- die each year in the US from drunk driving.

Funny I dont see you advocating the end of those items like you do guns.

Why?

a reply to: Willtell

When the society tries to do something

Try reading the bill of rights.

And that particular amendment that goes a lot like.

'No person shall be held answerable to a capital or otherwise infamous crime'.

Society has tried ?

Murder is illegal.

Asinine legislation created gun free zones that are not so gun free.

The American citizen has to ask the state for permission to practice their right, and only if they've lead a perfect little existence they might get to practice it.

The question is why are so many people bent on infringing our civil liberty for something that's already address by the law, and even the more fascists laws after the fact have done little to dissuade BAT SNIP WHACKO's from breaking existing laws.

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: Xcathdra

I’m not getting in any gun control dispute, it’s a waste of time

you could have all your guns

Then maybe you should not engage in a gun control debate in your posts. You made the comments now either defend them or dont say them.


It is that simple.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Willtell

it was not a gun that caused this massacre but the person pulling the trigger.

Due to laws it was a lack of a gun that prevented staff from stopping the shooter.

People who blame the gun are the same as people who would blame the penis in a rape.

a reply to: Willtell

So the massive population of 350 million people is the thing you depend on

Sure the eff don't depend on laws, and sure the eff don't depend on dialing 911 and wait for the police to come save me brandishing GUNS.

a reply to: Xcathdra


If any School needs a Security guard there have got to be something really wrong With the community.

These are teens/kids. Where is Our responsability as parents?

a reply to: Willtell


Do you really think that removing guns from people will do anything other than make people who follow the law victims? I'm curious as to how you feel about the gun regulations in places like Chicago helps make it safer?

Or let's be a little more open minded and ask yourself this question:
"Do you think that the people who knew something about this event, and decided that they didn't want to get involved are at fault?" or do you believe, "that the existence of a piece of metal and plastic caused a person to kill others?"

Like crack addicts.

One more law.

One more law.

That will fix everything!.

You guys are predictable.


Our society is sick and needs help, needs solutions.

Lets try another approach than just arguing the same old stuff


Go ahead try your solution of a gun every five yards.

If you bothered to read my posts I am complaining about the fact than NOTHING is being tried to solve this.


I'd be willing to try the gun on every corner approach, if you'd be willing to try the opposite if your approach doesn't work.

Your all such automatic thinkers

open your closed minds

a reply to: Xcathdra

So we do nothing about this

a reply to: Willtell


Ok that sounds fair, but could you clearly outline what you think should happen?

My idea is to allow employees of a school district to conceal carry, since the background checks should be the same for teachers as it is for a person getting a CCP.

Your idea is?

originally posted by: spy66
a reply to: Xcathdra


If any School needs a Security guard there have got to be something really wrong With the community.

These are teens/kids. Where is Our responsability as parents?

I disagree... I know a lot of school districts who have either security (unarmed / non-commissioned) or there own School police / school resource officers (armed commissioned law enforcement) who never had issues and are not located in bad areas. The biggest advantage of that setup is it allows the schools to be more creative with punishment while at the same time preventing kids from getting a criminal record, which would occur if a normal police agency dealt with the incidents. The only exceptions are for serious felonious crimes, where the police department where the school is located is required to be notified for a joint investigation with school police.

It comes down to more of a liability thing. Better to have the resources present on school property and hope you never need to use them than not have them and find yourself in a situation where they are needed.

a reply to: Willtell

You'll find few who disagree with that diagnosis.

As with "doctors" everywhere, you'll have disagreements as regards the treatment of said diagnosis...

What's your treatment?

Same here, but for just the opposite reason. 1 our of about 5 is packing.

a reply to: roadgravel

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: Xcathdra

So we do nothing about this

As I already stated the shooter already broke many laws by doing this.

What laws do you think are needed that would have prevented this?

The school is a gun free zone by law.
The killing of a human being is illegal (laws exist)
The injuring of students is illegal (laws exist).
His presence on school property is already illegal (laws exist).
His flight from the scene of the crime is already illegal (laws exist).

Tell me, what is missing?

Guns do not kill people any more than motor vehicles do. It is the person operating those objects that cause the problem that results in a death.

I refuse to accept the shredding of the US Constitution in exchange for a false sense of security. Law Enforcement is not present to protect the individual but society as a whole. Police can only get involved officially if a crime occurs / investigating a potential law violation. When any crime occurs the first person on scene is usually the criminal and the victim. The first line of defense begins with the individual and not law enforcement.

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: Xcathdra

So we do nothing about this

What more do you want ?

It's already against the law to go around shooting people.