Enough is enough. Public massacres and school shootings must stop.

originally posted by: Willtell
You guys are predictable.


Our society is sick and needs help, needs solutions.

Lets try another approach than just arguing the same old stuff


Go ahead try your solution of a gun every five yards.

If you bothered to read my posts I am complaining about the fact than NOTHING is being tried to solve this.


I'd be willing to try the gun on every corner approach, if you'd be willing to try the opposite if your approach doesn't work.

Your all such automatic thinkers

open your closed minds

I agree, the dumbest thing to possibly do is argue that more guns are needed, that says a whole lot about the poor state of the education system.

Since kids are targets and stupid people want more guns in school the only solution for parents is to take their kids out of school, I know if I lived in the U. S I certainly would.

originally posted by: Willtell
You guys are predictable.


Our society is sick and needs help, needs solutions.

Lets try another approach than just arguing the same old stuff

Ok.

First? STOP BLAMING THE GUN!

Second? STOP coddling the children. Stop babying the children. Stop isolating the children. Stop giving them a ####ing trophy every time they take a crap!

Life is hard. Bullying exists. Peer groups exist. YOU WON'T ALWAYS GET YOUR WAY!

TEACH your children to COPE with societal stresses in a more appropriate way than shooting up a god-damned school!



There.


There's your god-damned solutions.

a reply to: seagull

I have no ready solutions to this complex problem.

I just say its dogmatic, fossilized thinking that is stopping the country from doing anything.

Fear of change. We obviously have a serious problem.

Some guy talks about laws. No body said anything about passing any laws...

Maybe a massive campaign like we sell soap, we might try to sell love or brotherhood.

Or have more money put in psychology to deal with mental illness.

Something intelligent, something that might stem the tide of our children being slaughtered should be tried.

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

and yet you dont live here. You live in Australia where you have very strict gun control laws and yet all of your law enforcement is still armed and you still have gun crimes in your country.

So who does those gun laws protect? The people who are disarmed by them or the criminal who ignore them and who are armed?

So spare the lecture would you please.

a reply to: Konduit exactly

a reply to: CharlesT

Just like locks on doors, laws are only for honest people. Locks don't stop burglars and more laws won't stop criminals.

Let's just get rid of laws. Make murder legal. Make rape legal. Why not.

Laws don't stop them, so let's get rid of the laws that don't prevent.

a reply to: DBCowboy

WHO THE f___ said anything about a gun

Excuse my french


It may be a gun problem, for you to totally dismiss that is wrong.


But my complaint is that the country refuses to DO ANYTHING about this.

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: seagull

I have no ready solutions to this complex problem.

I just say its dogmatic, fossilized thinking that is stopping the country from doing anything.

Fear of change. We obviously have a serious problem.

Some guy talks about laws. No body said anything about passing any laws...

Maybe a massive campaign like we sell soap, we might try to sell love or brotherhood.

Or have more money put in psychology to deal with mental illness.

Something intelligent, something that might stem the tide of our children being slaughtered should be tried.

None of which has ever been a factor in a killers mindset. They are going to do what they are going to do using their own set of moral standards and not societies.

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: DBCowboy

WHO THE f___ said anything about a gun

Excuse my french


It may be a gun problem, for you to totally dismiss that is wrong.


But my complaint is that the country refuses to DO ANYTHING about this.

I just gave you solutions.

What are yours?

a reply to: Xcathdra


Yes but if you paid attention we don't have school shootings now do we....

Gee I wonder why that is, do you have any idea?

You guys are just addicted to the same old arguments we have every time this happens

Look at yourselves for once.

Your own dogmatic thinking

Maybe your wrong

Maybe Im wrong but Im for trying to Intelligently deal with the problem

All you want to do is defend your ideas about guns.

Do you love guns more than your own children ?

originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: CharlesT

Just like locks on doors, laws are only for honest people. Locks don't stop burglars and more laws won't stop criminals.

Let's just get rid of laws. Make murder legal. Make rape legal. Why not.

Laws don't stop them, so let's get rid of the laws that don't prevent.

Laws are present to deal with people who violate the social norms. The punishment for breaking those laws is suppose to be the deterrent. The point is laws dont matter to a person who has decided to ignore them and those laws dont matter to a person who is faced with an active shooter.

a reply to: DBCowboy

You dont give a dam, all you care about is defending a killing utensil

I care about children

Man I WORK IN SCHOOLS

when this happened I was in a school

originally posted by: Willtell
You guys are just addicted to the same old arguments we have every time this happens

Look at yourselves for once.

Your own dogmatic thinking

Maybe your wrong

Maybe Im wrong but Im for trying to Intelligently deal with the problem

All you want to do is defend your ideas about guns.

Do you love guns more than your own children ?

So you keep repea5ting yet you have absolutely nothing to offer as an alternative, except for one solution which I think you are to chicken # to post.

originally posted by: Willtell
You guys are just addicted to the same old arguments we have every time this happens

Look at yourselves for once.

Your own dogmatic thinking

Maybe your wrong

Maybe Im wrong but Im for trying to Intelligently deal with the problem

All you want to do is defend your ideas about guns.

Do you love guns more than your own children ?

The
Problem
Isn't
Guns


It is the people PULLING THE TRIGGERS!

Jesus!


If you don't treat the people, then it doesn't really matter, does it?

It's people like yourself who's "solutions" only INCREASE GUIN CRIME!

a reply to: Willtell

All you want to do is defend your ideas about guns

It's about defending that GD piece of paper all the talkers are snipping all over.

What can be done. Has.

What shouldn't have been done. Has.

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: DBCowboy

You dint give a dam, all you care about is defending a killing utensil

Bull.

I'm giving real-world practical solutions.


You want a police-state.

a reply to: Willtell

I care about children

Do you condemn abortion which such zeal?

a reply to: Willtell


Putting more money into mental health, and getting people to stop demonizing those with a mental health issue, is a good idea.

I would also like to add what DB is stating, that we (or rather parents since not everyone here is a parent) should stop with the "F'ing" snowflake mentality. Look your kids are special, I get it, but that doesn't mean that the world cares. You should be teaching your kids that the world isn't an easy place to live, and that sometimes things don't go the way you want. When that happens you either can learn from the event, or try and avoid it in the future.

The problem is that parents for some reason (I'm not going to name whos to blame since most of us can already guess where the two biggest problems came from) seem to think that their kids should be protected from the world. It's not a realistic thing to do, it's not a healthy mindset to teach, an it's not a safe reality to push.

a reply to: Guyfriday


If you don't change the behavior, then the person will just use a different weapon.


People don't get that if you change the behavior, then that eliminates the shooting before it even starts!

Just denying a killer a weapon does not stop the person's mentality.