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Originally posted by mwm1331
Devilwasp - germs? Now you are trying to say that human life and germs have the same value?
hmm I didnt believe the Nazi ideology was really on the rise in the UK till now, but hearing that you think a human and a germ are equal just blew my mind. So tell me devil wasp how little do you love yourself if you think a germ has the same value you do?
Well heck no it feels nothing, its just a bunch of cells!
Originally posted by mwm1331
Devilwasp can you not see that you argument in refernce to germs arms and fetus is sophistry?
An arm is a part of a human however a part is not the whole nor does that part have the abllty naturally to become a whole.
A germ has no sentience, can not devolp sentience, and will never become more than it is.
A human fetus is human lfe by many standards.
It is alive
It is human genetically
It has within it self everything needed save nutrents and shelter to become a thnking feeling human being.
A fetus is not just a bundle of cells, it is a rapidly devolping bundle of cells whch unless interrupted by outside forces ether natural or unnatural (ie abortion or mscarriage) will always become a "fully fledged human" by your standards, neither an arm, a germ, a sperm cell or an egg, will do so. (the sperm and egg will only do so if combned neither alone ever will naturally)
Originally posted by sminkeypinkey
Some of the resident sour-faced miseries here could do with digesting some of those facts.
[edit on 20-2-2005 by sminkeypinkey]
So if I kill a bear I am safe?
I kill a fox or any sentient animal I am ok?
It is alive in the sense that it will grow into something the same with a baby cat or dog.
You cant justify not killing a thing because it will grow up to be a human being.
The mother gives birth to the child ,thats her choice as a mother, do you want choice removed?
A monkey has in it everything it needs to evole to be a human being yet i hear no complaints about the mass killings of monkeys or the monkeys being supplied by morroco for land mine detonations.
It may grow up to become one but that doesnt mean we are able to remove a womens choice of what she wants done with her body, i stress hers.
The Baby ( we will call it this for sake) is only liveing off her, like a leach only bigger.
Originally posted by mwm1331
Devilwasp if you truly can not differentiate between a human life and the life of an animal I pity you.
She has the choice to use condoms, birth control etc. She has the choice not to enggage in sex.
The fact is except for the rare repe induced pregnancy the woman already made her choice. She chose to have sex knowing that she risked pregnancy by dong so. If I choose to go skydiving, pack my own chute and end up injured should I be allowed to sue the company?
When you engage in a risky practice you must accept responsibilty for the consequences.
No it doesn't. Monkeys have already evolved, into monkeys.
Whle humans and monkeys have a common ancestor it was that ancestor's offspring that branched into the various primate species, while monkeys may evolve into something in the next few million years they will not evolve into humans.
I have no problem with a woman dong anythng she wants with herbody. If a woman want's to cut off her arm she can. The fetus however is not a part of her body it is a seperate entity unto itself.
No woman is born with a fetus nor do they develop them as a function of puberty.
While the fetus does require the womans body as a life support system it is not by any genetic, or biological standard a part of her body. Unless you can show any evidence of any creature containng two distinct genetic codes, as well as two brains, hearts, nervous systems etc. your argument does not hold water.
Originally posted by mwm1331
devilwasp I am beginning to wonder if you have even the sense god gave a box of rocks.
Monkeys will evolve into humans?
Sex isn't risky?
Whatever I am through talking to you,
as my grandpa used to say "never try to teach a pig to sing it wastes your time and pisses off the pig."
When you progress beyond a 5th grade mentality we can discuss this again.
Originally posted by sminkeypinkey
Nicely put Jadestone.
It's a shame so many seem incapable of having as much passion about the horrible miserable stunted lives of so many of the already living as they do about the not even born.
[edit on 20-2-2005 by sminkeypinkey]
Originally posted by devilwasp. If it is safer to die than live then so be it.
Originally posted by devilwasp.
Not really, the umbilical cord is part of both bodies, so technically they are one body.
Originally posted by edsinger
Well I think that right there sums it up for you.....sad. Isn't death the ultimate 'unsafe"?
With 2 distinct DNA's?????????????
[edit on 21-2-2005 by edsinger]
Originally posted by mwm1331
edsinger, why would you bother to continue to discuss anything related to science with a person who thinks two seperate species (humans and monkeys) can evolve into the same species despite the fact that evolutionary theory, the theory of speciation, the whole of natural history, bology and every other life scence states this to be impossible?
Face it neither devilwasp nor jadestone have the critical thinking skills, knowledge, or IMHO intelligence to discuss this rationally.