Single-Payer CRISIS - Britain National Health Service Cancels FIFTY-THOUSAND Operations!.

a reply to: musicismagic

Very interesting.

I find if hard to believe that people defend the US system, it costs 2X as much as the next industrialized nation, but the treatment, quality and medical outcomes are relatively the same.

But defend it they will, crony-capotalizm is literally killing the medical industry. And pharma is not even worth talking about in the US, we are wholesale getting boned.

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: pheonix358



In Russia all Health is free, if you are sick you call the family Doctor and he comes to your house, the medical prescriptions are free, and if you go to Hospital that is also free. Needles to say all education is free as well. So what went wrong with us?

G...R...E...E...D.

All and any isms taken to their extreme are evil.

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a reply to: pheonix358

The politicians in the U.K. created/underfunded/mismanaged their system, didn't they?

originally posted by: DISRAELI
Another factor- a bad flu winter with a lot of patients.

Cancel 50,000 operations because of a "bad flu season"? That's the best reason they can come up with?

you can't expect ambition-less government employees who work 32 hours a week and barely work when they to really understand how the market works and why right?

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: pheonix358

The politicians in the U.K. created/underfunded/mismanaged their system, didn't they?

Yes, under NWO instructions.

They need a British version of Trump to fix it for them.

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originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: carewemust

Is the # of operations due to the aging population?

50,000 is the total number that were scheduled to occur this month. The article didn't itemize the patients demographics...only "life saving" surgeries are taking place this month.

originally posted by: skalla
a reply to: carewemust

Purposefully defunded by successive governments due to pressure from vested interests, including members of govts themselves.

The spin here is BS as expected.

Whatever the politics, the decision to put off 50,000 surgeries is morally and medically WRONG. The President of Britain should intervene. It's not like Britain is flat broke.

originally posted by: SprocketUK
You have, since 1997 had one government running semi privatisation of the NHS through PFI deals, folowed by a tory government that slashed funding and instituted several extra layers of beurocracy and a population that has increased y around 10 million through migration...Its no wonder the NHS is struggling.

Now I better understand why the British medical system was referred to in the article as being like "Third World". What you describe sounds like what would happen in a corrupt Ugabae regime.

originally posted by: Metallicus
Right now I can go to any doctor I want and pay for the services I need. In England you are screwed due to Government involvement. I love the freedom I have to choose who I want to see and get done what my doctor and I decide is best for me.

The countries with the BEST overall system are those that have a PUBLIC and a PRIVATE system. People choose which one they want to be a part of.

If ObamaCare is ever wiped off the map, the U.S. could inject more money into Medicaid, and make it available to anyone who wants it. Private health insurance would be available to anyone who wants that. The USA would then be among the best in the world.

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: SprocketUK

If you do not have insurance here in the US it is as apocalyptic as you hear. The price for an injury/illness/medication can and does bankrupt thousand and thousands of Americans a year. Some go bankrupt with insurance.

FYI.. bankruptcies declined 50% from 2010 to 2016. Obamacare was a factor.
time.com...
But as the article states, the percentage of the decline actually attributable to ObamaCare, is an unknown.

a reply to: stormcell

Stormcell, THANK-YOU for that easy to understand NHS background briefing. It's always refreshing and welcome to hear from someone who knows from experience.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: SprocketUK

We see that in our VA system which has fabulous scandals over how it treats its patients all the time ... as bad or worse than anything we hear about the NHS. There is no reason at all to assume that making all of health care operate the same way would improve those already horrible conditions, only expand them to all the rest of us.

There are a few Veterans Administration Medical Centers that make the news due to patient neglect, but most are acceptable. Depending on what I need, I go to Private, or to the V.A.. For small stuff and checkups, there's very little difference between the two.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: seasonal

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: pheonix358
a reply to: carewemust

So, British Politicians manage to stuff up their system and it becomes the fault of a single payer system.

Australia has a great system, not perfect, but much better than the US model. It is a National Health system and it works.

Don't blame the UK system, blame the Politicians.

The problem with the US system is that it is based on a single purity of GREED!

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You know ... your excuse sounds a lot like socialism is great but we just haven't found the right people to run it.

That's a popular excuse for when it fails like it always does.

Look around, (croni) capitalism is on NHS's heels are far as being unusable and unaffordable. Keep in mind the US system is 2X the cost of NHS.

Yes, only 2X! What a shame that is! Imagine ... if we put the government in charge of all of it, that could be 4X or even 10X or more! Think of all the money those blood-sucking parasites in the bureaucracy are missing out on.

I'm surprised the government hasn't legalized and taxed marijuana. That would raise a lot of money for expanding Medicaid.

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: ketsuko

Do not get cancer in the US without heathcare insurance and $10,000 in cash. If you have no insurance, you will not get chemo. Even if you have insurance you better have a big fat wad of cash for all the things that are not covered.

No one dies due to lack of proper care here so long as they seek it

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If you have a relatively low deductible, $10K in cash is not needed.

Correct. No Insurance + No Liquid Assets = No Chemo. = R.I.P.

If you have a good quality plan, everything will "be covered" after the Out-of-Pocket max is reached.

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: ketsuko

Who said anything about things being free. I think what the American people want to see is our medical costs fall into line with the rest of the industrialized world.

Are you good with the difference in cost being 100% more here in the US as compared to the next most expensive nation?


I fail to see why people defend the obvious and monopolistic system that the US has gown into.

Americans are "spoiled" according to a Canadian friend. He correctly states our medical costs are so high because the DEMAND in America is so high.

Jim waited 9 months for his hernia surgery in Canada. In America, people would not tolerate that. It's DEMAND. As long as Americans demand "FIX ME...NOW!", the medical profession can charge whatever it wants to.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: pheonix358
a reply to: ketsuko

Almost every other country in the world has higher rates of taxation and that was before the tax cuts.

Well, yes but ... these other countries are not Trillions in debt.

Try and see the reality.

It is not hard.

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Even better!

Lets raise our tax base substantially to add a massively expansive new entitlement while saddled with trillions in debt and budget that perennially adds to it!

Genius!

I was going to start a thread on that subject last month during the budget negotiations. Seems like the U.S. Debt is a boogie-man that never shows up. $1 Trillion was horrible. Now we're at $20 Trillion.. and still here.

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: pheonix358



In Russia all Health is free, if you are sick you call the family Doctor and he comes to your house, the medical prescriptions are free, and if you go to Hospital that is also free. Needles to say all education is free as well. So what went wrong with us?

I don't think a lot of Russians are filing papers to leave the country either, are they?

originally posted by: Ohanka
I have long argued that defunding the NHS, as well as selling off portions of it to private companies, should be a hangable offence.

This is what happens when you do those things.

The President of Britain must be more of a figure-head, like Queen Elizabeth and that family?

originally posted by: Metallicus
Right now I can go to any doctor I want and pay for the services I need. In England you are screwed due to Government involvement. I love the freedom I have to choose who I want to see and get done what my doctor and I decide is best for me.

Well, maybe you can go and pay cash for services, but the insurances have been tightening way up lately, our latest change in meds is that the insurance company can change the medicine to one that treats the disease if they want. I sure hope they would contact the doctor if they changed the type of medicine, some people may have intolerances to certain types of drugs and some drugs can be used to treat more than one disease. What comes to mind is sulfa drugs, there are some drugs drugs that are actually sulfa meds but will also treat a different condition. Lasix comes to mind.