Single-Payer CRISIS - Britain National Health Service Cancels FIFTY-THOUSAND Operations!.

originally posted by: musicismagic
Japan's National Health Insurance is based upon ones income. The more you make, the more you pay. As of now it is about $8000 USD a year, that is the cap. One does not pay more then that. Also 30% is what you pay of the bill. The private doctors here do not take "I'll pay you later doctor". Doesn't happen in Japan, no money, no treatment.

Good system actually. You don't want to pay, legally the hospitals can and will turn you away if your card is not valid.

Right now we pay about 125 dollars a month. By the way, there is no CRAZY 5000 dollar deductible before the insurance coverage kicks in.

That sounds like what ObamaCare was designed to be at its conception. But something went wrong, as Democrats stuffed the Turkey with too many goodies... and also left Private Health Insurers in the mix.

originally posted by: toysforadults
you can't expect ambition-less government employees who work 32 hours a week and barely work when they to really understand how the market works and why right?

Is that how many hours NHS employees work per week? Sounds like our "swamp", lol.

originally posted by: pheonix358

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: pheonix358

The politicians in the U.K. created/underfunded/mismanaged their system, didn't they?

Yes, under NWO instructions.

They need a British version of Trump to fix it for them.

P

NWO = New World Order? This group lacks "common sense"? That's all Trump is forcing on our Congress and Economy.

a reply to: rickymouse

You bring up a good point, RickyMouse. Increasingly, Insurance companies are TELLING THE DOCTORS what medication to prescribe for us!

This development makes me envy those who don't need health insurance, all the more.

There's an entire medical building in downtown Chicago that's devoted to "Cash Only". Those patients control their own treatment regimes..and have the best doctors in the nation at their beckon call.

a reply to: DISRAELI

Having spent 4 days a week in Hospital for 3 years and having friends working there I can categorically say that the current problem is with idiots rokcking up with flu symptoms etc . It may not be perfect but the state of the UK at present has everyone and their dog going to A&E for the slightest ailment that most people would see their GP for.
Its a social problem not a financial one.

a reply to: carewemust

Would still prefer our British system as it is now than US healthcare.

a reply to: Cymru
Since money isn't a constraint, the NHS should expand. Add more resources to handle the demand, like a business does.

originally posted by: testingtesting
a reply to: carewemust

Would still prefer our British system as it is now than US healthcare.

No matter what country you look at, there are citizens who are a fan of that country's health system.

The problem generally with American ''all mine'' culture is that they can't bear knowing any penny they earned might benefit or subsidise someone who has nothing.

They are actually happy to be individually ripped off by insurance companies and pay thousands over the odds as long as only they, and strictly no-one else, can benefit.

Greed severely impairs one's common sense.

a reply to: Metallicus

Unsurprisingly you dont get it. You can go NHS with out the BS from the OP, or you could pay to go private. It aint so difficult when you take the time to read and think clearly.

originally posted by: carewemust
Very sad developments with the United Kingdom's NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE..

Every hospital in the country has been ordered to cancel all non-urgent surgery until at least February in an unprecedented step by NHS officials. The instructions on Tuesday night - which will see result in around 50,000 operations being axed - followed claims by senior doctors that patients were being treated in “third world” conditions, as hospital chief executives warned of the worst winter crisis for three decades.

MORE AT: townhall.com...

It's tragic that so many people will have to live in pain and distress for AT LEAST 30 days longer than they should. For those of you who have been sick or injured, just a few days of waiting seems like an eternity, doesn't it?

This melting-down of Britain's National Health Service should be an eye-opener for everyone in America who wants government run "Single-Payer" healthcare for all.

For a government run single-payer system to work here, it must be funded properly. Americans must be willing to endure significant tax increases.

And, decisions will need to be made on accessibility by people who are not U.S. citizens. Refugees and people in Britain Illegally, are granted free medical care in the National Health Service system. Needless to say, this adds a lot of additional cost.
Ref: www.fph.org.uk...

-CareWeMust

UK is NOT a good example of universal healthcare.

I would look at France, Germany or Japan for good examples.

There are many ways to give health care, the USA system and UK system are not good ones.

originally posted by: Metallicus
Right now I can go to any doctor I want and pay for the services I need. In England you are screwed due to Government involvement. I love the freedom I have to choose who I want to see and get done what my doctor and I decide is best for me.

Actually you can do that still in the UK.


We have private hospitals too. And they are vastly cheaper than the USA ones and offer great world class service.

originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: pheonix358

How bad would it have to get for you to admit that socialism doesn't work?

In Australia its not bad, in fact in Australia in better than the UK and USA. Hence why everyone trying to immigrate there, including me!

The NHS has, unfortunately, become just another cash cow for the "service industry" in outsourced contracts, the Pharma industry in criminal drug price hikes and the executives staffing the NHS trusts and their very large salaries and perks. Add to that the privatisation by stealth and it's no wonder there are problems!

I am waiting to hear about surgery after being diagnosed with a Hernia last October. Daily pain and it's stopped me working overtime a lot as I am on my feet most of a 12 hour shift, and on my days off shift, which I usually spent on long walks with a camera backpack on, I am now limited to short strolls with a compact camera in my pocket. So right now there is a big impact to both my work life and private life.
I have now been scheduled in for a pre-op assessment in late February. After that, they will then have to look at funding, with no guarantee that surgery will be approved.

It's all a little worrying as I have, after all, paid into the system via monthly National Insurance payments from my salary for 37 years, yet the time that I actually need it, I am likely to be refused due to funding issues. At the same time, I am still expected to carry on paying my NI without fail each month.
I have been asked by some if I would consider going down the private medical route, with the simple answer being No! Firstly I could not afford it, and secondly, why should I even consider it if I have paid into the system that is supposed to take care of this for the last 37 years? Maybe I should ask for a refund?

Year on year we get bombarded with adverts for private medical schemes, yet never has there been any discussion about a reduction in the National Insurance we pay to offset what we would would then be making in private medical insurance payments. My last employer provided private medical insurance and I was even taxed on that as a "Benefit".

I am still heavily in favour of the NHS system, for all, but mismanagement, price gouging and downright disgusting and immoral behaviour by the government and senior level executives are destroying it. I see this as being the plan though as it has been used before to justify privatisation. Underfund it, then allow the private sector to come in and offer a "better" service.... at a cost of course, and way above what it would cost if still under public ownership.

Oh look, another OP who does not understand the system but who wants to scream incoherently at a non-US system.
Two anecdotes to explain the difference between our two systems -
One - when my wife was a child in Oregon she came down with stomach pains. Her mother waited a bit too long to take her complaints seriously and she ended up in hospital with an appendix that burst on the operating table. At the time her father was about to start a new job, so was between insurance schemes. He had to take out a second mortgage to cover the cost of the hospital bill.
Two - in June last year I was bitten on the elbow by a spider (just a British one, luckily I don't live in Oz) at 3am. By Noon my elbow had doubled in size and there was a red line going up my arm. My wife look one look, went white as a sheet and drove me to the nearest hospital. I was treated for potentially fatal sepsis immediately, given a lot of penicillin, a course of pills and recovered over the next few days. Total cost to me? £6 for parking in the car park outside.
Yes, the NHS has problems. It's winter for a start and there are too many morons out there who think that a cold = deadly flu. In addition the idiot Conservative government we are currently cursed with (Theresa May is one of the most unlucky and incompetent PMs we have ever had) has been mismanaging it by trying to bring in US-style measures that keep wasting money and not working. However, the NHS is still a national treasure that works.

a reply to: SprocketUK

No, this is not true. Medical bills can be cancelled out or gotten rid of via bankruptcy proceedings. I know this for a fact because I had to file for bankruptcy after a divorce and I had many medical bills included. However, I also have some pretty hefty student loans (in excess of $50K), and I’m still paying on those....and will likely still be paying them out of my retirement.

My fellow Englander's live in a very rapidly aging country. People are going to local doctors for small things that clog up the system when they could sort themselves out. This all cost time and money.

I know people who cut out going to the local doctor and go straight to A & E at the hospital because local surgeries are too full. It's a growing problem that the government haven't tackled.

All the NHS in England is to the Government is a political tool to take out of the closet when elections come about. Promise after promise to sort out the growing concerns that have been getting worse for many many years.

I have friends who work in there and moral is very very low. They do their jobs the best they can like they always do. That is never in question.

Many years ago I stood on a nail so i had to get it checked out. I sat waiting for a while and next to me was a man that broke his nose. It wasn't pleasent to look at. He told me he had been waiting nearly an hour. When they called me, I told them to take care of him because he was more important. After much talking they took him away.

The waiting times have increased but sadly we can't all go to the front of the queue. We have to wait our turn.

I have so much respect for those in the NHS. They work hard everyday under sometimes stressful conditions. Always with a smile and willing to help. I have never had a problem waiting my turn.

I don't think their is anything sinister about the fall of the NHS. Just an aging and growing population that needs caring for. It needs support to survive.

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: skalla
a reply to: carewemust

Purposefully defunded by successive governments due to pressure from vested interests, including members of govts themselves.

The spin here is BS as expected.

Whatever the politics, the decision to put off 50,000 surgeries is morally and medically WRONG. The President of Britain should intervene. It's not like Britain is flat broke.

Hospitals are over 95% bed capacity and some at 100% bed capacity. Anyone recovering from an operation needs a few days in a bed for doctors to monitor patient outcome in case they have complications requiring another operation. Each ward also needs time for the cleaning staff to disinfect each bed and surrounding area. Hot bedding patients as soon as one patient leaves and another arrives just leads to infection spreading.

Though, research into medical techniques like endoscopic surgery reduces the need for long bed stays. Someone can be in and out within a day.

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: skalla
a reply to: carewemust

Purposefully defunded by successive governments due to pressure from vested interests, including members of govts themselves.

The spin here is BS as expected.

Whatever the politics, the decision to put off 50,000 surgeries is morally and medically WRONG. The President of Britain should intervene. It's not like Britain is flat broke.

We dont have a president..... we have a prime minister. And she as is about as effective as a fart in a hurricane.

a reply to: carewemust

when American doctors went on strike refusing to do all non essential operations the death rate dropped by 50% a day
in germany and brazil the death rates dropped 35% and 33%.

So we will now be able to see how the death rate drops in our hospitals and get a true picture of what is really going on in our so called care industry.