14yo girl facing felony child porn charges, 10 years for selfie

a reply to: Liquesence

So, the kid shouldn't have rules??

Know where the limits, or line, is? Really?

a reply to: bluechevytree

she took naked pics of an underage girl...

No, she didn’t.

She took pictures of herself... read the damn quote taken from the article.

a reply to: Hazardous1408

and how old was she? 14 , yeah that`s underage and is she a female? yep she is, so yes she did in fact take nude pictures of an underage girl, and transmitted them through electronic means to another person.

I`m no lawyer but I imagine the law specifically states that taking pictures of naked underage girls and transmitting them electronically to another person is ILLEGAL! I don`t believe that the age, relationship, or gender of the person taking the pictures makes it legal to take naked pictures of underage girls and electronically transmit them to other people.

I`m pretty sure the intent of the laws is to make sure that pictures of naked kids don`t exist at all and not to make sure that naked pics of kids weren`t taken by someone over 18 years old.

originally posted by: bluechevytree
a reply to: Hazardous1408

and how old was she? 14 , yeah that`s underage and is she a female? yep she is, so yes she did in fact take nude pictures of an underage girl, and transmitted them through electronic means to another person.

Logic and common sense says you can't lock someone up for taking a picture of themselves and giving that pic to a friend.

You are allowed to exploit yourself, just not allowed to exploit others.

a reply to: bluechevytree

The thing about the law is that it struggles to "specifically state" anything, there is always a degree of interpretation... that's what lawyers are for. You can take a hard line approach like yourself and choose to ruin a young persons life for being unchaste and using modern technology to do it (have you even seen the way that Tinder, Grinder, SnapChat, etc... even work?!?... it's inevitable, and no worse than some of things we got up to when we were young), or you can have some tolerance... after all the letter of the law is often ridiculous.

The 22 most ridiculous US laws still in effect today. #10 is just crazy… LOL!

Traditional mechanisms for the creation of laws moves too slowly to adequately deal with the modern rate of social change, so need to be flexible and empathetic in their application. Added to that, I want less government in our lives, so I believe in a more social development approach rather than a penalization approach.

In other words, why not just talk to the girl? Develop an understanding of her intent (which is pretty obvious in this case), teach her the potential dangers of exposing herself on record, and only prosecute if there is evidence of nefarious intent.

It's crazy that this has even gotten to the point of the threat of prosecution.

Unfortunately, as sad as it is, this is neither the first nor the last time where the laws did more harm than good. And it is one of many where those who did not do such to exploit, or harm are being caught up in the overzealous nature of some.

originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: notsure1
If two 14 year olds have sex is that child porn?

If they record their activity it is.

But if you pay adults to have sex.... and film it.... it is legal.
Don't film it.... it is prostitution.

That's a joke, right?

If a person pays for sex and films the action it is still considered prostitution, in porn both parties are paid by a third party plus that third party also has permits for his production.

originally posted by: thesaneone

originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: notsure1
If two 14 year olds have sex is that child porn?

If they record their activity it is.

But if you pay adults to have sex.... and film it.... it is legal.
Don't film it.... it is prostitution.

That's a joke, right?

If a person pays for sex and films the action it is still considered prostitution, in porn both parties are paid by a third party plus that third party also has permits for his production.

No you just need a consent form and proof they are over 18. Camera legal no camera illegal to pay for sex.

We are livin in some weird times..Defintaley prosecution over reach.

A similar thing came up on the radio recently. This is where a 13yr old boy was sent an explicit picture from a slightly older girl that she took of herself. The boy had not solicited this and didn't quite know what to make of it. He stupidly forwarded it to a friend or two, possibly for advice/opinion, and then blocked the girl from being able to contact him. Next thing he knows there is a large number of police at his door seizing his phone, tablet and computer and placing him under arrest for distribution of indecent images of a child. So jail and sex offenders register. The word had got out about the picture, kids at school were all talking about it and the girl was mortified. Her parents find out about what went down and kicked up a big fuss which resulted in tracing who received the pic and him being arrested. Same kind of thing but from the recipients end. Luckily his mum did not accept the caution and after the police threatened to arrest her with obstruction of justice, the dropped the charges. As far as I am aware, no charges were brought to the girl who sent the picture.

I can see why we need these laws, however they were put there to protect kids from adult abuse and coercion. There needs to be separate laws put in place where the person is under age and is taking explicit selfies and the person receiving them is also under age. The disgrace alone should be fair punishment, plus an Internet or phone ban for the initiator or disabling camera and Internet access on the phone so it can only make calls for safety reasons. Also a good talking to by the police.

Jail and life time on the sex offenders register would ruin a kids life for something stupid that happened when they were a kid.

Nothing wrong with the teen besides her lightheaded act, I could easily blame mainstream pop culture for it.

I think the legal system is more stupid than her and whoever made up that sentence should be in prison for 10 years instead.

There is a very good reason for child pornography laws. Unlike the majority of sexually-explicit fantasies, the desire for child pornography is easily and quickly sated at the expense of children who are unable to give consent... or even unable to comprehend what the consent is for. That is an exploitation of a child, which society has deemed to be a crime (and in this case I wholeheartedly agree with society).

However...

As a society, the US is seemingly obsessed with this attempt at puritanical living. We see it around us every day, in the form of sexual harassment allegations taken as gospel truth with no evidence, silly dress codes, extreme public interest in sexual preference, public shaming, inane laws against pornography, even laws against prostitution. It's good to have morals and sexual norms, but at some point the obsession becomes unwieldy and even dangerous.

That's what this is: the result of a societal obsession with sexual conduct that has gone so far that it has become unreasonable by any logical standard. Little boys and little girls have been curious about themselves and the other gender for as long as they have existed, and that will not change any time soon. Post-pubescent teens will discover sexual gratification, and that will not change any time soon. Adults will engage in sexual relations and seek out sexual partners, and that will not change any time soon. Any law which does not recognize this is a bad law, and any person who seeks to use law to forbid what is normal, nonviolent, instinctive human nature should be exorcised from society themselves. That includes the prosecutor in this case, and even the police who actually thought this was an investigable offense. They need their own island away from the rest of society where they can live out their lives in whatever prudish fashion they so choose, without ever interacting with more reasonable members of society.

This girl did nothing 'wrong.' At best, she did something dangerous, and the parents should (and probably already have) ensure that she understands the consequences of her actions. I do not refer to ten years in prison, but simply to the invitation of unwanted sexual advances and the potential distribution of her private photos. As for arresting the parents, one might as well just make childbirth illegal; it is impossible by any reasonable standard to monitor a child 24/7, and an act like this takes a minute or two with modern technology. Whoever suggested this has serious issues.

But... this thread will run its course and die off. The charges will likely be dropped at some point, since the girl is already scarred emotionally, and likely for life. Those involved in bringing charges will continue on, with their only punishment for this atrocity a few jokes and jabs from co-workers. The girl will likely have emotional issues for the rest of her life. And tomorrow, some other child will do the same thing. They may or may not face the same or similar consequences, depending on whether or not some self-righteous guardian of everything that is wholesome and good finds out about it.

And life will go on as before, for everyone except the victim... a scared, likely confused, 14 year old girl.

TheRedneck

This is clearly a demonstration of an out of control justice system that no longer operates for the good of the taxpayers but for the good of themselves through quota's and the constant pursuit of additional revenue which in turn draws law enforcement and prosecutors to make very stupid decisions like this one.

originally posted by: butcherguy

But if you pay adults to have sex.... and film it.... it is legal.
Don't film it.... it is prostitution.

Yeah, that never made any sense to me. I see no difference between sex workers and adult film actors.

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: UKTruth

I'll go along with that.

Where the Hell were her parents?

More and more, I'm glad I grew up before the days of instagram/twitter/facebook.

Obviously, the mother or father should stand watch over her when she's alone in her bedroom, they should always accompany her to public restrooms, even in school, and also stand watch as she showers/bathes. Obviously.

Totally their fault for being bad parents.

ETA:

I notice UK has left the building after that utterly ridiculous trollatry.

It's not about standing over their child 24/7.

It's about raising a child. That is a responsibility that should be taken seriously.
The parents should be questioned about the behaviour of their daughter. If a child turns up at school these days with bruises, the parents can be visited by social services. If a child bunks off school, the parents can be charged and fined.

I know for some that responsibility for ones children is an anathema, but until that child becomes an adult her parents are responsible for her behaviour and children should also be protected from households with abusive or neglectful parents.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: UKTruth

I'll go along with that.

Where the Hell were her parents?

More and more, I'm glad I grew up before the days of instagram/twitter/facebook.

Obviously, the mother or father should stand watch over her when she's alone in her bedroom, they should always accompany her to public restrooms, even in school, and also stand watch as she showers/bathes. Obviously.

Totally their fault for being bad parents.

ETA:

I notice UK has left the building after that utterly ridiculous trollatry.

It's not about standing over their child 24/7.

It's about raising a child. That is a responsibility that should be taken seriously.
The parents should be questioned about the behaviour of their daughter. If a child turns up at school these days with bruises, the parents can be visited by social services. If a child bunks off school, the parents can be charged and fined.

I know for some that responsibility for ones children is an anathema, but until that child becomes an adult her parents are responsible for her behaviour and children should also be protected from households with abusive or neglectful parents.

I am having doubts from your posts that you have ever been a parent. Even good obsessive parents who monitor their children ( I had security cameras and tracking devices on their vehicles) will find that it is challenging when puberty hits their children. Young minds with new grown up bodies is a dangerous combination.

Parents can limit and take away their phones, internet, vehicles, etc...but children are extremely creative at finding loopholes! Sometimes, it can actually put them at more risk! Many of my friends and family with younger children offered loads of advice, since they believed it was negligence on my part! They believed they were better parents and their children were angels. Now, I hear all of their frustrated cries about their own children's rebellious dramas!

It is a natural course of growing up...for the children and the parents. Punishment by the law is rediculously far reaching when no one is harmed. In regards to this 14 year old...it should only be an issue between the parents of this boy and girl. Law enforcement should not be involved with this case.


Edit add: I remember my own parents didn't have all of this technology to deal with. I was 13-14 years old and my 'boyfriend' showed up outside my bedroom window at 3am. I let him in. Yes, we thought we were Romeo and Juliet and it was so exciting. He even had to hide in my closet once, when my parents came to check on me. They had no clue!

originally posted by: Indrasweb
a reply to: trollz

I almost 100% agree with all of the above, aside from this:

The message being sent to young women is that if this happens to you, it is more your fault than his.”

Because the fact is, it absolutely is 'more your fault than his'.

We need to be teaching these kids personal responsibility, not giving them the impression that shifting the blame onto someone else, for decisions they made themselves, is acceptable.

However, making a 14 year old into a sex offender for taking a picture of their own junk is going a tad too far...

THIS.

Personal responsibility. From what I have witnessed over the last couple of generations, teachers and other people who are influencing these kids, teach them that things are not their fault.

So, they are growing up needing "safe spaces" and "coloring books" instead of realizing that they are in fact responsible for their own lives and actions.

Grow up!! Be responsible!!

Fred..

originally posted by: UKTruth
The girl should not be charged, but the parents should.

Teenagers do stupid things all the time.

Parents cant watch a teenager 24/7 its impossible.

If every parent was charged because there dumb brained teenagers did something illegal, thousands of new prisons would need constructing.

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: Liquesence

So, the kid shouldn't have rules??

Know where the limits, or line, is? Really?

Sure there are rules.

But the point the poster was making was you cant enforce them 24/7.

Are you going to make your 14 year old sleep in your room, watch her go potty? Go to school with her? Watch her every secound of the day?
Teenagers are crafty buggers, I should know I work with them. They will break rules and unless you chain them up and put cctv on them constantly there is no way you can stop them.

Half the time teenagers will break the rules to just see how far they can push. Preventing them doing dumb things is extremely hard. Half the time all you can do is react after the fact with punishment and hope they wont do it again.


And be honest...... when you where a teenager did you break rules?
I sure did.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: UKTruth

I'll go along with that.

Where the Hell were her parents?

More and more, I'm glad I grew up before the days of instagram/twitter/facebook.

Obviously, the mother or father should stand watch over her when she's alone in her bedroom, they should always accompany her to public restrooms, even in school, and also stand watch as she showers/bathes. Obviously.

Totally their fault for being bad parents.

ETA:

I notice UK has left the building after that utterly ridiculous trollatry.

It's not about standing over their child 24/7.

It's about raising a child. That is a responsibility that should be taken seriously.
The parents should be questioned about the behaviour of their daughter. If a child turns up at school these days with bruises, the parents can be visited by social services. If a child bunks off school, the parents can be charged and fined.

I know for some that responsibility for ones children is an anathema, but until that child becomes an adult her parents are responsible for her behaviour and children should also be protected from households with abusive or neglectful parents.

You can raise a child in the most responsible way possible.


But even the most well adjusted teenager will do something stupid.

They are entering puberty, they will feel things and have urges. Its also a fact that due to developing brains, there decsion making and comprehension of consequences are going to be screwed up.
That leads to teenagers doing stupid stuff. Good parents or not.


I work in a Grammar school. I would say 90% of students there are lucky to have very involved parents. And they still do dumb stuff.
Kids as young as 12 are sending nudes (which us form tutors have to deal with) .
We even had one dumbarse pick up a bottle of chlorine and sniff it for a dare and he was 15!