14yo girl facing felony child porn charges, 10 years for selfie

Isn't this why we have judges?

Let's wait for a conviction then we can complain.

a reply to: seagull

Ivory tower? Hardly. Good lord, dude. I broke rules, too. I just don't see this episode as a "typical" teenage rebellion. We differ in that opinion, obviously.

We differ in our willingness to castigate two people on their parenting over one incident in which we have a very small portion of a bigger picture, at least.

This is something that doesn't just go away, especially if the having to register as a sex-offender is actually carried through with.

A point I've made myself.

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: UKTruth

This is not sexting.

Clearly you are utterly misinformed as to the subject matter being discussed, so there's no need to continue to engage with you.

It is a 14yr old kid posing nude pictures of herself.

And sending them to a boy she likes. That's sexting.

There is something wrong with you if you think that is normal behaviour.

Stuff it.

Then don't engage?
There really is something seriously wrong with people that think kids sending nude pictures of themselves is normal. Seriously wrong.

Funnily enough, the only person to use "normal" on this entire page is yourself.

Seems Freudian to me.

Make up your mind. Engage, don't engage.

You said:

I'm not certain what world you live in, but kids sexting isn't exactly uncommon.

So, ok, i'll rephrase. There is something seriously wrong with people who think kids sending out nude pictures of themselves is common. Unless by common you actually mean rarely

Of course, you'd rolled up the very uncommon issue into a generic 'sexting' category, which is far more common.

Young boy (14) in England sent naked pics by girl from school that he didn't want to be receiving.

Shows it to friend and says what do I do about this?

Police arrest him for distributing child pornography and want to charge him, meaning he'll go on sex offenders register, because the poor "victims" parents have found out and are angry.

The poor "victim" is merely the victim of her own stupidity, and quite why someone else should have to pay for that by having their life ruined is beyond me.

Grow one of those things, what do they call them - oh yeah, a brain.

originally posted by: UKTruth

So, ok, i'll rephrase. There is something seriously wrong with people who think kids sending out nude pictures of themselves is common. Unless by common you actually mean rarely

Of course, you'd rolled up the very uncommon issue into a generic 'sexting' category, which is far more common.

Why is it wrong to state the truth?

Am i to deny what I see with my pupils?

You sound like a liberal now denying facts you dont like.

Fact is teenagers as young as 12 are sending nudes to each other regularly.
It is common and that is a fact.

I wish it wasn't but it is. You will just have to deal with it.

I have to deal with it on a near daily basis.

You are going to have to readjust your view of the world. Since being a teacher I have had too.

Teenagers are doing this. Burying your head in the sand and pretending its not a common problem will not make it go away.

originally posted by: UKTruth

So, ok, i'll rephrase. There is something seriously wrong with people who think kids sending out nude pictures of themselves is common. Unless by common you actually mean rarely

I'm sorry I don't understand what you are trying to say. Because it sounds like you are crying FAKE NEWS in the face of the actual truth.

Fact: "Kids" are sending out nude pics and videos. The "Dark Web" is full of them. It is happening. You don't hear much about it unless some stupid prosecutor pulls a stunt like this or the poor kid kills themselves over it.

EDIT: After rereading your last paragraph I see you are just ignorant of the issue. Pro-tip: Sexting=nudes.

a reply to: UKTruth

Make up your mind. Engage, don't engage.

Obviously I have. I said there's no need to do so, but if nothing else you're providing a modicum of entertainment every time you highlight your ignorance for us, so there's that.

So, ok, i'll rephrase. There is something seriously wrong with people who think kids sending out nude pictures of themselves is common. Unless by common you actually mean rarely

It's common enough to not be as unicorn-level rarity that you seem to be trying to make it out to be. Even the lowest estimates range from 5% of teens to 10% of teens. If one out of every 20 kids, or one out of every 10 kids, were offing themselves I don't think anybody would be arguing that it was "uncommon" or "rare" for teenagers to off themselves.

Of course, you'd rolled up the very uncommon issue into a generic 'sexting' category, which is far more common.

No I didn't. Sending nude pictures of yourself to somebody else is sexting. It is not the only form of sexting, but it is absolutely and categorically sexting. It's not my problem that you're unclear on what sexting is and seem to be defining it as you go.

a reply to: butcherguy
what state from the 50s you live in that truancy officers are still a thing hell one year i skipped school from easter till exam time and passed many cops and they could not care less.

a reply to: UKTruth
I actually think it's fairly common.

Nor do I see a problem with it. It's an extent of the experimentation teens go thru coupled with technology.

Show me mine, I'll show you yours was common in my day as a 14 yr old. This is no different.

The girl should not be charged, but the parents should.

If parents were charged for every stupid thing their children did, all parents would be in prison. Kids at that age explore their sexuality - did you think all parents of teen pregnancies should be in prison as well? The world is going PC crazy.

originally posted by: proteus33
a reply to: butcherguy
what state from the 50s you live in that truancy officers are still a thing hell one year i skipped school from easter till exam time and passed many cops and they could not care less.

21st century Illinois Police State here. Truancy officers are alive and very busy here. VERY busy I assure you. At least 4 arrests a school year here in my little podunk county alone. That is after many warnings were given.

originally posted by: MysticPearl
a reply to: UKTruth
I actually think it's fairly common.

Nor do I see a problem with it. It's an extent of the experimentation teens go thru coupled with technology.

Show me mine, I'll show you yours was common in my day as a 14 yr old. This is no different.

If you dont see a problem then you haven't had to deal with the fall out when a teenage girl sends a nude and the dip# boy then spreads it round the school....... then i have to waste my time doing damage control.

a reply to: UKTruth

There is something seriously wrong with people who think kids sending out nude pictures of themselves is common.

I don't think anyone is applauding the girl's actions or saying it was a smart thing to do. But it is common. The two words, "wrong" and "common," are not related. Something can be "right" and "common," or something can be "wrong" and still "common."

I would have been very upset had I found out my daughter had done something like that at that age. But I can still admit that it does happen on a regular basis. Thus, it is a common practice and should not be used as a sole reason to imprison parents.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

Exactly.


Morally wrong? Yes

Has terrible consequences? Yes


Is common? Unfortunately very common in the schools i have worked in.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: UKTruth

This is not sexting.

Clearly you are utterly misinformed as to the subject matter being discussed, so there's no need to continue to engage with you.

It is a 14yr old kid posing nude pictures of herself.

And sending them to a boy she likes. That's sexting.

There is something wrong with you if you think that is normal behaviour.

Stuff it.

Then don't engage?
There really is something seriously wrong with people that think kids sending nude pictures of themselves is normal. Seriously wrong.

Funnily enough, the only person to use "normal" on this entire page is yourself.

Seems Freudian to me.

Make up your mind. Engage, don't engage.

You said:

I'm not certain what world you live in, but kids sexting isn't exactly uncommon.

So, ok, i'll rephrase. There is something seriously wrong with people who think kids sending out nude pictures of themselves is common. Unless by common you actually mean rarely

Of course, you'd rolled up the very uncommon issue into a generic 'sexting' category, which is far more common.

I'm never quite sure whether your constant presence on these boards is trolling, or just the result of having nothing better to do.

You're on almost every front page thread, constantly, usually flaming people or inciting it from others with ridiculous comments.

So let me state two facts:

1. Sexting pics of themselves to each other is VERY common with teens now. Anyone who works with this age group in any capacity knows this. It is literally and undeniably factual. To state anything to the contrary is simply "fake news" spewed to fit your narrative. You're CNN.

2. Suggesting that the parents should get done for this is possibly the single most ridiculous thing I've ever seen you say. Utterly bizarre. If you think parents can be in full control of their kids 100% of the time, particularly in the digital age, again you're literally a troll and clearly have no kids yourself.

I dont usually waste my time replying to you because you absolutely love spending hours and hours and hours on here every single day getting into arguments (I used to be the forum smart guy in my teens too), but this time I had to chime in because of what a bloody ridiculous couple of comments you made.

Have a merry Christmas. Hope you got yourself a nice present.

Society sexualizes children before they're even interested - check

Society tells young women that their self-worth is based on their sexual appeal to men - check

Society provides avenue for children to send explicit photos supposedly "in secret" - check

Child looking for male approval sends explicit photo and is now being charged with a felony for doing what society pretty much said they should do - check

That cover it?

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: Liquesence

So, the kid shouldn't have rules??

Know where the limits, or line, is? Really?

Of course kids should have rules. Many do. I never said they shouldn't. What does that have to do with kids breaking rules?

Do you have children?

a reply to: UKTruth

It's not about standing over their child 24/7.

It's about raising a child.

Do you have children?

I am also confused why a 14 year old girl is about to get her life ruined yet Kevin Spacey a KNOWN pedophile is walking around free?

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: intrepid

I don't think anybody has argued that sexually explicit photos of a minor is not CP...?

I think, and others may correct me if I'm incorrect, the problem that most people have is that she's been charged with a felony under a law who's purpose is

It is the policy of the legislature in enacting this section to protect minors from the physical and psychological damage caused by their being used in pornographic work depicting sexual conduct which involves minors. It is therefore the intent of the legislature to penalize possession of pornographic work depicting sexual conduct which involve minors or appears to involve minors in order to protect the identity of minors who are victimized by involvement in the pornographic work, and to protect minors from future involvement in pornographic work depicting sexual conduct.

And for some reason this prosecutor seems to think that the best way to prevent this minor from taking pictures of herself is to charge her with a felony that carries up to seven years in prison as a penalty.

IT may be CP. But if there was no coercion, and if the teenage boyfriend didn't do revenge porn or bullying, there would be no victim.

She could also have such pictures of herself, for private keeping without sharing. Shouldn't be charged with anything if there is no victim, then there is no real crime.

If there is coercion or bullying those involved need punishing.

As you say the one abusing through unwilling incarceration and legal branding with pariah status is society. Society is the criminal here.