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the truth of the dying polar bear ?

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posted on Dec, 9 2017 @ 07:58 PM
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originally posted by: ignorant_ape
hi - the tail if the straving polar bear is " APPARENTLY " going viral on teh internut



The tail of the straving polar bear?




posted on Dec, 9 2017 @ 08:08 PM
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a reply to: Phage



Nursing an animal (bear or human) back from starvation is more complex than wrapping someone in a blanket.

And treating hypothermia isn't as simple as giving someone a blanket either, it's a step of a process.

While introducing food to a starving animal is indeed a complicated process due to physiological changes caused by starvation, we can rest assured the mortality rate will be lower when a starving animal is fed rather than left to starve, even you can't debate that.



posted on Dec, 9 2017 @ 08:09 PM
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a reply to: Vector99

It was one bear. The mortality rate would be 0% or 100%.
Giving a bear a meal in the wilderness is not going to save it from starvation.



posted on Dec, 9 2017 @ 08:13 PM
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a reply to: silo13




No way will I believe a polar bear only eats 4 lbs a fat a day.

You left out a key part of what I said, On Average.



posted on Dec, 9 2017 @ 08:28 PM
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a reply to: Phage

Giving a bear dying from starvation a meal, and contacting the polar bear rehab facility could indeed have saved its life.

He could have easily obtained enough nutrition to keep the bear alive until a rescue operation could have been conducted. He didn't. He got a photo/video op of an emotional situation and presented it in a manner meant to tug on heart strings. Despite evidence of polar bear populations stabilizing and slightly starting to increase, this guy sells a dying polar bear as dire consequences of man-made climate change, and quite frankly he's full of it.

He says he couldn't help because he didn't have 400lb of seal meat or a tranq on him, so he couldn't help. What if he did have that on him? He still can't do anything alone. He made no effort to save the bear, and yeah, with a population dwindling around 25,000-30,000, I would say saving a single young polar bear giving it the possibility to reproduce would be a worthwhile effort.

Do you think if it was a human he was filming he would have cried and just watched?



posted on Dec, 9 2017 @ 08:31 PM
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a reply to: Vector99




Giving a bear dying from starvation a meal, and contacting the polar bear rehab facility could indeed have saved its life.

Sure. The "rehab facility" would send a crew (by helicopter?) right up there (because they have all the resources they need, on call), tranquilized an ailing bear, transported it safely back to the facility. Sounds reasonable.



What if he did have that on him? He still can't do anything alone. He made no effort to save the bear, and yeah, with a population dwindling around 25,000-30,000, I would say saving a single young polar bear giving it the possibility to reproduce would be a worthwhile effort.
According to sources cited in this thread, there isn't much evidence that the polar bear population is currently dwindling.

edit on 12/9/2017 by Phage because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 9 2017 @ 08:39 PM
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I notice in the video it eats from a garbage can. Old age? Poison? Other natural illness? Unless they tested the carcass they don't know.

There are pictures on the Internet of Polar Bears taken on Baffin Island in 2017 that are healthy and happy.

Baffin Bay and Kane Basin polar bears not ‘declining’ concludes new report


The 2016 Scientific Working Group report on Baffin Bay and Kane Basin polar bears was released online without fanfare last week, confirming what local Inuit have been saying for years: contrary to the assertions of Polar Bear Specialist Group scientists, Baffin Bay and Kane Basin subpopulations have not been declining but are stable.


People I know here in Alaska who work on the Slope have been telling me for some time now that Polar Bear populations are rising, not falling. In fact they are having to post guards to keep them away from workers.

I'm not buying this and the breadcrumbs in the article lead you to the SeaLegacy site with the below on the front page.



Just saying



posted on Dec, 9 2017 @ 08:41 PM
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Sure. The "rehab facility" would send a crew (helicopter?) right up there (because they have all the resources they need, on call), tranquilized an ailing bear, transported it safely back to the facility. Sounds reasonable.

Are you certain they couldn't have, or just assuming? Maybe had this guy that cares so much about polar bears contacted the facility we would know for sure, but he didn't.



According to sources cited in this thread, there isn't much evidence that the polar bear population is currently dwindling.

Yes you got me on the word. I meant dwindled, the past tense, but accidentally typed dwindling, the present tense. I would assume you would have been able to decipher that mistype considering I also said


Despite evidence of polar bear populations stabilizing and slightly starting to increase

but kudos for being the grammar police.



posted on Dec, 9 2017 @ 08:54 PM
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a reply to: Vector99

Are you certain they couldn't have, or just assuming? Maybe had this guy that cares so much about polar bears contacted the facility we would know for sure, but he didn't.

Do you know where the "rehab facility" is? Do you know where Baffin Island is?



Yes you got me on the word. I meant dwindled, the past tense, but accidentally typed dwindling, the present tense.
Oh. How much did the Baffin Island polar bear population dwindle?



posted on Dec, 9 2017 @ 09:03 PM
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looks like an old injured bare



posted on Dec, 9 2017 @ 09:11 PM
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they say we shouldnt mess with nature and we should just let it be, but thats bs, just look what we do to pandas, locking them up, forcing them to watch porn, forcing them to have sex



posted on Dec, 9 2017 @ 09:17 PM
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a reply to: Blaine91555




People I know here in Alaska who work on the Slope have been telling me for some time now that Polar Bear populations are rising, not falling. In fact they are having to post guards to keep them away from workers.

I wonder if that might have some to do with bears being attracted to workers (due to loss of natural prey?) rather than an increase in actual population.

edit on 12/9/2017 by Phage because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 9 2017 @ 09:47 PM
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a reply to: Phage

Humans are natural prey...they are man eaters.



Polar bears are the only species of bear that will actively hunt humans for food,


www.howitworksdaily.com...



posted on Dec, 9 2017 @ 09:49 PM
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a reply to: Phage

Probably a bit of both.

It doesn't take bears much time to figure out that it's easier to scavenge than it is to hunt--not that they can't, or that there's not stuff to hunt, but it's just easier, and safer in most cases, for them to go where the trash is.



posted on Dec, 9 2017 @ 09:53 PM
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a reply to: seagull
And, they smell good.

That is, they have a powerful sense of smell.



posted on Dec, 9 2017 @ 10:01 PM
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a reply to: Phage

Yes. To both, actually... Bears smell good, and the stuff they smell, smells good.



posted on Dec, 10 2017 @ 12:26 AM
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a reply to: stormcell

There is nothing to debunk. I've seen the polar bear trying to hunt the seal for myself with my own eyes, on more than one documentary. I mean it was chasing them for days, looking more and more famished as the days passed. It was pretty sad. If it were a case where they could just go inland and catch seal then that is what those polar bears would have done.



posted on Dec, 10 2017 @ 01:46 AM
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a reply to: ignorant_ape

Environmental issues are like political NWO issues in that there is not enough people; doing enough, to stop the rot let alone turn it round.

We all just have to accept that we are all on different paths in life and we are all interested in some aspects of life but have no interest in other aspects of life.

Some of us a politically minded while others are environmental minded. others Again are interested in little else in life apart from stamp collecting, or growing roses etc.

As I said to someone I was having a coffee with the other day, there is just so much to do and so few people to do it with and this lady agreed with me on that.

Unfortunately I do not see the status quo of the current "balance" changing away from where it is now regarding the environment. I suppose I am saying that yes, were killing ourselves softly in relation to the environment and I don't see it changing until its far too late.



posted on Dec, 10 2017 @ 06:56 AM
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a reply to: Azureblue

We have been in a short term warming trend for at least 20 years, but Polar bears have been roaming the Earth long before humans left the tropics. Some scientists have speculated that increased volcanic activity could cool things down within a year. So in that scenario Mount Agung could singlehandedly end the global warming spell now, or global warming could last another 20 years.

The Barnes ice cap glacier is starting to look like a tower on the Grey this year, no doubt about it.

Without December polar ice, bears wouldn't be able to hunt and we would get an overpopulation of seal.





posted on Dec, 10 2017 @ 03:21 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Blaine91555




People I know here in Alaska who work on the Slope have been telling me for some time now that Polar Bear populations are rising, not falling. In fact they are having to post guards to keep them away from workers.

I wonder if that might have some to do with bears being attracted to workers (due to loss of natural prey?) rather than an increase in actual population.


All I know is what I'm told by people I trust, who have feet on the ground on the Slope much of the year, who likely have a far better picture than the occasional researcher who spends a few days. They say the population is increasing. Not surprising considering the level of protection they receive.

I know they are very capable of adapting by taking whatever prey is available. Before all the hype and over sensationalism started up I remember reading an article about evidence of a past history of Polar Bears expanding their range and adapting their diets. If I remember right, I read it at academia dot edu. I can't find it now, but that's been maybe ten years ago. As I recall they found evidence of them ranging as far south as just north of the Fairbanks area. Animals can adapt quickly to change and that seems too often overlooked.

I'm not very trusting of anything connected to National Geographic and I suspect you know their history of everything from bad science to articles about primitive tribes that don't exist. I don't think they care enough to review whats submitted to them as long as it fits the popular narrative, which I think good science seldom does. Politics and science clearly don't mix.



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