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originally posted by: pavil
Is 15% of tax assistance credits going to non UK citizens not a major factor either? We obviously disagree. You are the one footing the bill for it, not me. Enjoy it. Balance your budget by cutting benefits to all. There's a finite amount of money for such things, spend it how you wish.
originally posted by: nonspecific
originally posted by: pavil
originally posted by: nonspecific
originally posted by: pavil
. Read the whole thing......15.2% of families receiving tax credits, which I assume mean low income, are Non British. It's your Country. Your problem. You have to deal with it and pay for it, not me.
originally posted by: nonspecific
originally posted by: pavil
originally posted by: nonspecific
originally posted by: pavil
originally posted by: TruthxIsxInxThexMist
a reply to: Grambler
Tories are screwing everyone over. Lots more homeless on the streets since these new benefits rules came into force and these were put in place because of a minority of people swindling benefits .
Not my Country, but maybe, just maybe, if you didn't have so many immigrants on the dole, as you say, you wouldn't have these problems.
You do what you want.
Just sayin...............
I think he said a minority of people swindling not minority people swindling.
As far as I know most immigrants work hard over here, the rate of pay makes it vry profitable for them to do so.
I know what they said. The U.K's already over stressed social support networks didn't need more people from the outside the U.K. adding even more burden on it.
In 2014, 4.9 million (92.6 per cent) working age benefit claimants were British while only 131,000 (2.5 per cent) were EU nationals. The number of recipients from outside of the UK — but not from the EU — was 264,000 (five per cent).
Likewise, in the latest data from 2013 for those tax credits, 3.9 million (84.8 per cent) families receiving the benefits were British citizens, 302,000 (6.4 per cent) were EU citizens and 413,000 (8.8 per cent) were from outside of the UK.
7.5 % of working age people receiving benefits were from outside the UK and 15.2% of families receiving benefits were from outside the U.K.
link
Sugarcoat it all you want. They are the reason your system is welfare system is stressed. It's a significant percentage and number that doesn't help your situation.
Your own link says "In 2014, 4.9 million (92.6 per cent) working age benefit claimants were British while only 131,000 (2.5 per cent) were EU nationals. The number of recipients from outside of the UK — but not from the EU — was 264,000 (five per cent). "
So are you saying that the welfare system is stressed not from the 92.6 percent of British claimants but the 5% who originate from outside the UK?
Only 2.5% from within the EU and that does not take into consideration the number of UK nationals living in the EU and claiming benefits in other countries.
Are you really saying that 5% is a signifcant percentage?
Tax credits are a system to top up the earnings of low paid families meaning they can still work and have a living wage.
Just grabbing figures without having any idea of what you are talking about is not a great way to put forward a winning argument.
You might be better off taking part in a discussion on something you understand.
Lol, the number of Non UK citizens getting tax help is a drain on your system. It is. You can deny it's "just a little" but you try and make ends meet on 15% less income and let's see how your life changes. Those were 2014 numbers, have they grown or shrunk since then?
Again it's your problem, I'm merely pointing it out. Cursing at the messenger rather than the actual message.
I am not cursing the messenger I am saying that the messenger does not have enough of a grasp of the situation to give an accurate message that's all.
I am not an economist but am pretty sure that 5% of non eu claiming benefits at any one time would not be considered a major contributing factor. Zero unemployment is unfeasable and not good for an economy.
originally posted by: Konduit
a reply to: Butterfinger
Don't worry, I'm sure in the near future Commissioner Mohammed will be working closely with Mayor Mohammed and Prime Minister Mohammed to crack down on radical Islamization.
In all seriousness, when Islam has the numbers to start influencing elections and setting policy the UK is going to be in serious trouble.
originally posted by: nonspecific
originally posted by: pavil
Is 15% of tax assistance credits going to non UK citizens not a major factor either? We obviously disagree. You are the one footing the bill for it, not me. Enjoy it. Balance your budget by cutting benefits to all. There's a finite amount of money for such things, spend it how you wish.
originally posted by: nonspecific
originally posted by: pavil
originally posted by: nonspecific
originally posted by: pavil
. Read the whole thing......15.2% of families receiving tax credits, which I assume mean low income, are Non British. It's your Country. Your problem. You have to deal with it and pay for it, not me.
originally posted by: nonspecific
originally posted by: pavil
originally posted by: nonspecific
originally posted by: pavil
originally posted by: TruthxIsxInxThexMist
a reply to: Grambler
Tories are screwing everyone over. Lots more homeless on the streets since these new benefits rules came into force and these were put in place because of a minority of people swindling benefits .
Not my Country, but maybe, just maybe, if you didn't have so many immigrants on the dole, as you say, you wouldn't have these problems.
You do what you want.
Just sayin...............
I think he said a minority of people swindling not minority people swindling.
As far as I know most immigrants work hard over here, the rate of pay makes it vry profitable for them to do so.
I know what they said. The U.K's already over stressed social support networks didn't need more people from the outside the U.K. adding even more burden on it.
In 2014, 4.9 million (92.6 per cent) working age benefit claimants were British while only 131,000 (2.5 per cent) were EU nationals. The number of recipients from outside of the UK — but not from the EU — was 264,000 (five per cent).
Likewise, in the latest data from 2013 for those tax credits, 3.9 million (84.8 per cent) families receiving the benefits were British citizens, 302,000 (6.4 per cent) were EU citizens and 413,000 (8.8 per cent) were from outside of the UK.
7.5 % of working age people receiving benefits were from outside the UK and 15.2% of families receiving benefits were from outside the U.K.
link
Sugarcoat it all you want. They are the reason your system is welfare system is stressed. It's a significant percentage and number that doesn't help your situation.
Your own link says "In 2014, 4.9 million (92.6 per cent) working age benefit claimants were British while only 131,000 (2.5 per cent) were EU nationals. The number of recipients from outside of the UK — but not from the EU — was 264,000 (five per cent). "
So are you saying that the welfare system is stressed not from the 92.6 percent of British claimants but the 5% who originate from outside the UK?
Only 2.5% from within the EU and that does not take into consideration the number of UK nationals living in the EU and claiming benefits in other countries.
Are you really saying that 5% is a signifcant percentage?
Tax credits are a system to top up the earnings of low paid families meaning they can still work and have a living wage.
Just grabbing figures without having any idea of what you are talking about is not a great way to put forward a winning argument.
You might be better off taking part in a discussion on something you understand.
Lol, the number of Non UK citizens getting tax help is a drain on your system. It is. You can deny it's "just a little" but you try and make ends meet on 15% less income and let's see how your life changes. Those were 2014 numbers, have they grown or shrunk since then?
Again it's your problem, I'm merely pointing it out. Cursing at the messenger rather than the actual message.
I am not cursing the messenger I am saying that the messenger does not have enough of a grasp of the situation to give an accurate message that's all.
I am not an economist but am pretty sure that 5% of non eu claiming benefits at any one time would not be considered a major contributing factor. Zero unemployment is unfeasable and not good for an economy.
You are continuing to misunderstand the situation and it is just not working for you. You keep saying it is our problem yet refuse to let it go, why not let it go?
You do not understand the situation enough to make a valid contribution to the discussion and repeating the same thing over is just wearing out your keyboard.
You seem insistant that the figures you provide for the benefits you do not even understand are a major concern and a reason for us to do something about immigration but you have not given any reason to prove that the problem is as bad as you say, offered a solution or looked at the other aspects of immigration in relation to the UK economy.
If you bring some of the above I am happy to talk otherwise I think we can both agree there is no reason for us to continue this line of discussion.
originally posted by: pavil
originally posted by: nonspecific
originally posted by: pavil
Is 15% of tax assistance credits going to non UK citizens not a major factor either? We obviously disagree. You are the one footing the bill for it, not me. Enjoy it. Balance your budget by cutting benefits to all. There's a finite amount of money for such things, spend it how you wish.
originally posted by: nonspecific
originally posted by: pavil
originally posted by: nonspecific
originally posted by: pavil
. Read the whole thing......15.2% of families receiving tax credits, which I assume mean low income, are Non British. It's your Country. Your problem. You have to deal with it and pay for it, not me.
originally posted by: nonspecific
originally posted by: pavil
originally posted by: nonspecific
originally posted by: pavil
originally posted by: TruthxIsxInxThexMist
a reply to: Grambler
Tories are screwing everyone over. Lots more homeless on the streets since these new benefits rules came into force and these were put in place because of a minority of people swindling benefits .
Not my Country, but maybe, just maybe, if you didn't have so many immigrants on the dole, as you say, you wouldn't have these problems.
You do what you want.
Just sayin...............
I think he said a minority of people swindling not minority people swindling.
As far as I know most immigrants work hard over here, the rate of pay makes it vry profitable for them to do so.
I know what they said. The U.K's already over stressed social support networks didn't need more people from the outside the U.K. adding even more burden on it.
In 2014, 4.9 million (92.6 per cent) working age benefit claimants were British while only 131,000 (2.5 per cent) were EU nationals. The number of recipients from outside of the UK — but not from the EU — was 264,000 (five per cent).
Likewise, in the latest data from 2013 for those tax credits, 3.9 million (84.8 per cent) families receiving the benefits were British citizens, 302,000 (6.4 per cent) were EU citizens and 413,000 (8.8 per cent) were from outside of the UK.
7.5 % of working age people receiving benefits were from outside the UK and 15.2% of families receiving benefits were from outside the U.K.
link
Sugarcoat it all you want. They are the reason your system is welfare system is stressed. It's a significant percentage and number that doesn't help your situation.
Your own link says "In 2014, 4.9 million (92.6 per cent) working age benefit claimants were British while only 131,000 (2.5 per cent) were EU nationals. The number of recipients from outside of the UK — but not from the EU — was 264,000 (five per cent). "
So are you saying that the welfare system is stressed not from the 92.6 percent of British claimants but the 5% who originate from outside the UK?
Only 2.5% from within the EU and that does not take into consideration the number of UK nationals living in the EU and claiming benefits in other countries.
Are you really saying that 5% is a signifcant percentage?
Tax credits are a system to top up the earnings of low paid families meaning they can still work and have a living wage.
Just grabbing figures without having any idea of what you are talking about is not a great way to put forward a winning argument.
You might be better off taking part in a discussion on something you understand.
Lol, the number of Non UK citizens getting tax help is a drain on your system. It is. You can deny it's "just a little" but you try and make ends meet on 15% less income and let's see how your life changes. Those were 2014 numbers, have they grown or shrunk since then?
Again it's your problem, I'm merely pointing it out. Cursing at the messenger rather than the actual message.
I am not cursing the messenger I am saying that the messenger does not have enough of a grasp of the situation to give an accurate message that's all.
I am not an economist but am pretty sure that 5% of non eu claiming benefits at any one time would not be considered a major contributing factor. Zero unemployment is unfeasable and not good for an economy.
You are continuing to misunderstand the situation and it is just not working for you. You keep saying it is our problem yet refuse to let it go, why not let it go?
You do not understand the situation enough to make a valid contribution to the discussion and repeating the same thing over is just wearing out your keyboard.
You seem insistant that the figures you provide for the benefits you do not even understand are a major concern and a reason for us to do something about immigration but you have not given any reason to prove that the problem is as bad as you say, offered a solution or looked at the other aspects of immigration in relation to the UK economy.
If you bring some of the above I am happy to talk otherwise I think we can both agree there is no reason for us to continue this line of discussion.
I agree. Have fun funding them.
originally posted by: nonspecific
originally posted by: pavil
originally posted by: nonspecific
originally posted by: pavil
Is 15% of tax assistance credits going to non UK citizens not a major factor either? We obviously disagree. You are the one footing the bill for it, not me. Enjoy it. Balance your budget by cutting benefits to all. There's a finite amount of money for such things, spend it how you wish.
originally posted by: nonspecific
originally posted by: pavil
originally posted by: nonspecific
originally posted by: pavil
. Read the whole thing......15.2% of families receiving tax credits, which I assume mean low income, are Non British. It's your Country. Your problem. You have to deal with it and pay for it, not me.
originally posted by: nonspecific
originally posted by: pavil
originally posted by: nonspecific
originally posted by: pavil
originally posted by: TruthxIsxInxThexMist
a reply to: Grambler
Tories are screwing everyone over. Lots more homeless on the streets since these new benefits rules came into force and these were put in place because of a minority of people swindling benefits .
Not my Country, but maybe, just maybe, if you didn't have so many immigrants on the dole, as you say, you wouldn't have these problems.
You do what you want.
Just sayin...............
I think he said a minority of people swindling not minority people swindling.
As far as I know most immigrants work hard over here, the rate of pay makes it vry profitable for them to do so.
I know what they said. The U.K's already over stressed social support networks didn't need more people from the outside the U.K. adding even more burden on it.
In 2014, 4.9 million (92.6 per cent) working age benefit claimants were British while only 131,000 (2.5 per cent) were EU nationals. The number of recipients from outside of the UK — but not from the EU — was 264,000 (five per cent).
Likewise, in the latest data from 2013 for those tax credits, 3.9 million (84.8 per cent) families receiving the benefits were British citizens, 302,000 (6.4 per cent) were EU citizens and 413,000 (8.8 per cent) were from outside of the UK.
7.5 % of working age people receiving benefits were from outside the UK and 15.2% of families receiving benefits were from outside the U.K.
link
Sugarcoat it all you want. They are the reason your system is welfare system is stressed. It's a significant percentage and number that doesn't help your situation.
Your own link says "In 2014, 4.9 million (92.6 per cent) working age benefit claimants were British while only 131,000 (2.5 per cent) were EU nationals. The number of recipients from outside of the UK — but not from the EU — was 264,000 (five per cent). "
So are you saying that the welfare system is stressed not from the 92.6 percent of British claimants but the 5% who originate from outside the UK?
Only 2.5% from within the EU and that does not take into consideration the number of UK nationals living in the EU and claiming benefits in other countries.
Are you really saying that 5% is a signifcant percentage?
Tax credits are a system to top up the earnings of low paid families meaning they can still work and have a living wage.
Just grabbing figures without having any idea of what you are talking about is not a great way to put forward a winning argument.
You might be better off taking part in a discussion on something you understand.
Lol, the number of Non UK citizens getting tax help is a drain on your system. It is. You can deny it's "just a little" but you try and make ends meet on 15% less income and let's see how your life changes. Those were 2014 numbers, have they grown or shrunk since then?
Again it's your problem, I'm merely pointing it out. Cursing at the messenger rather than the actual message.
I am not cursing the messenger I am saying that the messenger does not have enough of a grasp of the situation to give an accurate message that's all.
I am not an economist but am pretty sure that 5% of non eu claiming benefits at any one time would not be considered a major contributing factor. Zero unemployment is unfeasable and not good for an economy.
You are continuing to misunderstand the situation and it is just not working for you. You keep saying it is our problem yet refuse to let it go, why not let it go?
You do not understand the situation enough to make a valid contribution to the discussion and repeating the same thing over is just wearing out your keyboard.
You seem insistant that the figures you provide for the benefits you do not even understand are a major concern and a reason for us to do something about immigration but you have not given any reason to prove that the problem is as bad as you say, offered a solution or looked at the other aspects of immigration in relation to the UK economy.
If you bring some of the above I am happy to talk otherwise I think we can both agree there is no reason for us to continue this line of discussion.
I agree. Have fun funding them.
Have fun totally misunderstanding situations, making yourself look foolish and then still walking away thinking you are right....
originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
Were that so Hillary would be POTUS not Trump.
originally posted by: pavil
originally posted by: nonspecific
originally posted by: pavil
originally posted by: nonspecific
originally posted by: pavil
Is 15% of tax assistance credits going to non UK citizens not a major factor either? We obviously disagree. You are the one footing the bill for it, not me. Enjoy it. Balance your budget by cutting benefits to all. There's a finite amount of money for such things, spend it how you wish.
originally posted by: nonspecific
originally posted by: pavil
originally posted by: nonspecific
originally posted by: pavil
. Read the whole thing......15.2% of families receiving tax credits, which I assume mean low income, are Non British. It's your Country. Your problem. You have to deal with it and pay for it, not me.
originally posted by: nonspecific
originally posted by: pavil
originally posted by: nonspecific
originally posted by: pavil
originally posted by: TruthxIsxInxThexMist
a reply to: Grambler
Tories are screwing everyone over. Lots more homeless on the streets since these new benefits rules came into force and these were put in place because of a minority of people swindling benefits .
Not my Country, but maybe, just maybe, if you didn't have so many immigrants on the dole, as you say, you wouldn't have these problems.
You do what you want.
Just sayin...............
I think he said a minority of people swindling not minority people swindling.
As far as I know most immigrants work hard over here, the rate of pay makes it vry profitable for them to do so.
I know what they said. The U.K's already over stressed social support networks didn't need more people from the outside the U.K. adding even more burden on it.
In 2014, 4.9 million (92.6 per cent) working age benefit claimants were British while only 131,000 (2.5 per cent) were EU nationals. The number of recipients from outside of the UK — but not from the EU — was 264,000 (five per cent).
Likewise, in the latest data from 2013 for those tax credits, 3.9 million (84.8 per cent) families receiving the benefits were British citizens, 302,000 (6.4 per cent) were EU citizens and 413,000 (8.8 per cent) were from outside of the UK.
7.5 % of working age people receiving benefits were from outside the UK and 15.2% of families receiving benefits were from outside the U.K.
link
Sugarcoat it all you want. They are the reason your system is welfare system is stressed. It's a significant percentage and number that doesn't help your situation.
Your own link says "In 2014, 4.9 million (92.6 per cent) working age benefit claimants were British while only 131,000 (2.5 per cent) were EU nationals. The number of recipients from outside of the UK — but not from the EU — was 264,000 (five per cent). "
So are you saying that the welfare system is stressed not from the 92.6 percent of British claimants but the 5% who originate from outside the UK?
Only 2.5% from within the EU and that does not take into consideration the number of UK nationals living in the EU and claiming benefits in other countries.
Are you really saying that 5% is a signifcant percentage?
Tax credits are a system to top up the earnings of low paid families meaning they can still work and have a living wage.
Just grabbing figures without having any idea of what you are talking about is not a great way to put forward a winning argument.
You might be better off taking part in a discussion on something you understand.
Lol, the number of Non UK citizens getting tax help is a drain on your system. It is. You can deny it's "just a little" but you try and make ends meet on 15% less income and let's see how your life changes. Those were 2014 numbers, have they grown or shrunk since then?
Again it's your problem, I'm merely pointing it out. Cursing at the messenger rather than the actual message.
I am not cursing the messenger I am saying that the messenger does not have enough of a grasp of the situation to give an accurate message that's all.
I am not an economist but am pretty sure that 5% of non eu claiming benefits at any one time would not be considered a major contributing factor. Zero unemployment is unfeasable and not good for an economy.
You are continuing to misunderstand the situation and it is just not working for you. You keep saying it is our problem yet refuse to let it go, why not let it go?
You do not understand the situation enough to make a valid contribution to the discussion and repeating the same thing over is just wearing out your keyboard.
You seem insistant that the figures you provide for the benefits you do not even understand are a major concern and a reason for us to do something about immigration but you have not given any reason to prove that the problem is as bad as you say, offered a solution or looked at the other aspects of immigration in relation to the UK economy.
If you bring some of the above I am happy to talk otherwise I think we can both agree there is no reason for us to continue this line of discussion.
I agree. Have fun funding them.
Have fun totally misunderstanding situations, making yourself look foolish and then still walking away thinking you are right....
Last point: Where does that money for the credits come from?
originally posted by: PaddyInf
a reply to: Konduit
I seriously hope you're not implying that my comments are defending the IRA!
Having grown up through the troubles in Belfast, spent some years in the security forces there working in a counter terrorist role and been directly targeted by the provos, I'm the last person to have anything positive to say about them.
My point is that I am against stereotyping and punishing a huge group of people because of the actions of a few. I have been a victim of this and al it does is cause division, resentment, further animosity and eventual conflict.
originally posted by: IlluminatiTechnician
a reply to: Grambler
They asked for Islam. They got it.
originally posted by: nonspecific
originally posted by: IlluminatiTechnician
a reply to: Grambler
They asked for Islam. They got it.
Who asked for Islam?
originally posted by: IlluminatiTechnician
originally posted by: nonspecific
originally posted by: IlluminatiTechnician
a reply to: Grambler
They asked for Islam. They got it.
Who asked for Islam?
Most of every Liberal type in their country, just like the ones in the U.S. are doing now, even with all of these examples of this Islamic terror.
originally posted by: IlluminatiTechnician
originally posted by: nonspecific
originally posted by: IlluminatiTechnician
a reply to: Grambler
They asked for Islam. They got it.
Who asked for Islam?
Most of every Liberal type in their country, just like the ones in the U.S. are doing now, even with all of these examples of this Islamic terror.
originally posted by: IlluminatiTechnician
a reply to: Nexttimemaybe
I don't need to. I have seen the videos of all of the police running out of the "No Go" zones, heard the testimonies of people from the UK in forums and (not CNN) news, have seen countless videos of Muslims barricading the streets and chanting how they are increasingly installing sharia law, read their news articles, seen their news footage from over there and have asked personally many people from the UK in chat rooms on a random basis. I have pretty much covered every base that anyone would using the information that everyone else has, that believes CNN so much. If it's enough research for them (and you apparently), it's enough for me. I will apologize for nothing, and certainly will not visit an Islam infested country. Thank you. Btw, I can easily find the videos for you if you would like. Just because YOU deny it, doesn't mean it's not happening. It just means that you're a Liberal, and denying reality is kinda what they do.