Christ and Capitalism

a reply to: Woodcarver

Why do you have this faith?

I don't know and yes that was my answer to your question . Not a big complicated list eh ?

a reply to: the2ofusr1

He's mad because he can't "debunk" your faith. Gets them every time.

a reply to: Dfairlite

He's mad because he can't "debunk" your faith.

Wont be able to claim that God wasn't fair about it either .

a reply to: the2ofusr1

Well, he'll probably claim god didn't give him that faith, so it was unfair.

a reply to: Dfairlite

He has free will to choose or not . Oh and he could pray for more faith afterwards .
ie. Mark 9:23-25New King James Version (NKJV)

23 Jesus said to him, “If you can believe,[a] all things are possible to him who believes.”

24 Immediately the father of the child cried out and said with tears, “Lord, I believe; help my unbelief!”

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: Woodcarver

Why do you have this faith?

I don't know and yes that was my answer to your question . Not a big complicated list eh ?

Could you use this answer to justify any belief?

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: the2ofusr1

He's mad because he can't "debunk" your faith. Gets them every time.

I'm not mad, and there is no need to debunk faith.

a reply to: Woodcarver

Could you use this answer to justify any belief?

Maybe if the trust element of the Biblical faith was not involved you could .

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: Woodcarver

Could you use this answer to justify any belief?

Maybe if the trust element of the Biblical faith was not involved you could .

What do you mean by the trust element? Isn't that the same as faith?

I don't know about capitalism, Jesus and the NT are all about banking. Yep Jesus was a banker.

Fore go rewards today for a possible better future in the afterlife.

Or to look at it cynically, its a concoction of the Roman Empire to obedience to the State.

Worship the State and all will be well, slave work hard and your reward will be in th afterlife. An obedient populace cost less in resources while the rulers enjoy the fruits of your labour in this life.

Now if we actually had undeniable proof of what Jesus actually said, that might throw a different light.

a reply to: Woodcarver

To believe something does not make it so . If someone tells you something there is a element of trust on your part to consider it true . That's the thing in the Biblical sense that you are trusting what God is saying to be true . Now the person that tells you something might be trust able but as a human they are capable of lying . God cant lie because He is Righteous and Holy .

a reply to: LittleByLittle

Capitalism a ponzi scheme?... is that why even the so called "indigenous populations" traded and used capitalism?... Because it is "evil in the minds of socialists/communists"?...

I find it ironic that those people in the left who want to bash at capitalism ,always seem to assume that socialism is any better, when nation after nation which has tried socialism has failed, with the latest example being Venezuela...

But of course, when socialism is shown to be a disaster people in the left who love socialism want to claim that "that's not socialism/communism, it's more like capitalism"...

Sorry to rain on your parade but trading, which is part of capitalism, has made many societies prosper throughout history. Not to mention that "trading" also expanded an era of education and "enlightenment" from all over the world.

Without trading, capitalism, we would be still living in the dark ages. Have there been people who have used, and abused of capitalism? yes, unfortunately there have been and will continue to be such people. But like i wrote without "capitalism/trade" the world would be a much darker place.

originally posted by: Woodcarver
i have doubts he even existed. You called him the master of metaphor, knowing he didn't write any of that book.

You can have as many doubts as you want, but even the majority of historians accept the fact that Jesus Christ was a historical figure.

You can point out to obscure websites which try to claim the contrary, but historians, including non-Christian historians like the Romans wrote about Jesus Christ as a person who lived, taught a religion named after him, and was murdered under orders from Pontius Pilate. They even refer to him as " a magician". They also wrote about "the uprising from the Christians" in a historical perspective that shows the teachings of Jesus Christ changed the ancient world in many ways, not just in Rome.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: Woodcarver
i have doubts he even existed. You called him the master of metaphor, knowing he didn't write any of that book.

You can have as many doubts as you want, but even the majority of historians accept the fact that Jesus Christ was a historical figure.

You can point out to obscure websites which try to claim the contrary, but historians, including non-Christian historians like the Romans wrote about Jesus Christ as a person who lived, taught a religion named after him, and was murdered under orders from Pontius Pilate. They even refer to him as " a magician". They also wrote about "the uprising from the Christians" in a historical perspective that shows the teachings of Jesus Christ changed the ancient world in many ways, not just in Rome.

The majority opinion is not how we judge what is true and what is not. Where is the evidence of his existence? There is none. Only in this book and there are a lot of holes in that bucket.

There are more Muslims in the world than christians at the moment, does that mean that they are correct? Does their faith matter to you? Should your faith matter to me? I can't imagine you would accept that as an explanation, so why are you using it on me?

It seems there is a direct effort to ignore the fact there there is no verified evidence of this guy's life. Although i'm willing to accept that there were people who were spreading this msg, it seems very likely that this story of jesus was an allegory with a perfectly concocted hero on his journey to perfection. Much like Arjun, odysseus, or gilgamesh, which these writers would have been familiar with at the time, and are heavily borrowed from. A story that took the best parts of other stories and attempted to make the perfect story with the perfect hero which would touch the hearts and affect the widest variety of local cultures that were mixing at the Time. This scenario plays out exactly like this in Babylon a few hundred years before the events of moses supposedly took place.

The new god, Marduk (the culture and authority of the established government/king nebucanezer ) fights all of the competeing gods (the varied cultures of the people who are coming and dealing in babylon) and wins out and becomes the ruling god (authority over the other cultures practices and rules) of the city, meaning that when people with different rules and customs came to babylon, they had to follow the established rules and pay respect to marduk/nimrod. This is how they kept the peace. Babylon grew powerful as many people came there to do business and live. As we all know, after a long time, Babylon failed, to a point where the people could no longer communicate and cooperate. and the people spread out, because there was no common authority or trust in a system, or eachother.

the early jewish oratory works expanded on the code of hammurabi taking his 282 laws and turned them into 613 laws. Which was apparently too much to ask of these people, so Moses did away with them and Boiled them down to 10 easy to remember rules.
(You'll have to study the code of hammurabi to see this, but there are actually some direct quotes from it used in the early oral Torah. (I.e. Eye for an eye)

Genesis and the ten commandments are the cliff notes of the far more detailed babylonian epic. That is what the majority of historians can prove. With evidence. Not opinion.

a reply to: Woodcarver

There are more Muslims in the world than christians at the moment

Any child born to a Muslim is a Muslim .Any child born to a Christian not so much .

The key differences between Mosaic Law and the Hammurabian Code are equally significant. The Law of Moses covers more than the Code of Hammurabi. The Law of Moses is more than a legal code; it speaks of sin and responsibility to God. The Hammurabian Code and other ancient laws do not do this. The Code of Hammurabi focused exclusively on criminal and civil laws and meted out harsh, and sometimes brutal, punishments. The Law of Moses provided justice, but it also dealt with spiritual laws and personal and national holiness Both Hammurabi and Moses recorded a complex system of laws which were unique to their times. Hammurabi claimed to receive his code from the Babylonian god of justice, Shamash. Moses received God’s Law atop Mount Sinai directly from Jehovah, the God of the Israelites.

www.quora.com... essions-and-the-Book-of-Change

a reply to: Woodcarver

Read the story of Sargon the great. It has many paralels to the story of Moses.

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: Woodcarver

There are more Muslims in the world than christians at the moment

Any child born to a Muslim is a Muslim .Any child born to a Christian not so much .

I don't understand your point.

a reply to: Woodcarver

I don't understand your point.

Just because you might be born in what is considered a Christian home or nation does not make you a Christian . It works differently for Muslims and Jews . ps check my edit above

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: Woodcarver

There are more Muslims in the world than christians at the moment

Any child born to a Muslim is a Muslim .Any child born to a Christian not so much .

my point is, how could the ten commandments be given to moses by god, if they came from hammurabi.

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: Woodcarver

I don't understand your point.

Just because you might be born in what is considered a Christian home or nation does not make you a Christian . It works differently for Muslims and Jews . ps check my edit above

Huh? What does that have to do with what i'm saying?