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originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: Woodcarver
Why do all atheists interject their opinions about Christianity into every thread about religion? No one cares about your beef with jesus now was christ anti capitalist?
Context might help in understanding it . Slavery is one of these facts we find exercised in history . Some down right cruel while in other instances not so much . But there is a notion of voluntary slavery which is something that can be understood in todays context in the employer employee relationship . But it was a common practice during very hard times for people willing to work on a farm or in other enterprises just for room and board .The last example is not that far removed from todays history and can be found in the great depression . But on another note that some people try to contextualize the religion of Christianity is what the Bible says in the old Testament without considering the new . A good example is the notion of a peaceful religion
What is the most disturbing about the Bible is how can the Bible be so morally wrong about slavery?
I have no beef with fictional characters. I do have plenty to say to those who pretend those characters are real in an attempt to use those fictional characters to push their own political agendas. (I.e. Was christ a capitalist?). It's like asking if superman was a capitalist. Or the raven from Aesop's sour grapes story. Why are religious people so afraid of atheists pointing out their faulty logic and wanting to talk about it? Surely even the most adept christian can see the holes in the bucket?
originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: Woodcarver
Why do all atheists interject their opinions about Christianity into every thread about religion? No one cares about your beef with jesus now was christ anti capitalist?
So why couldn't jesus explain this? Instead of just telling slaves to obey their masters? Did god not realise that we would be looking at these stories in modern times? Seems awfully short sighted for a god. Why would a god need you to clarify this to us now? Where is jesus now? Why wouldn't a god straighten this out? Why do you feel like you know what god actually meant when he inspired some anonymous people to write these stories decades after the events supposedly happened?
originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: dfnj2015
Context might help in understanding it . Slavery is one of these facts we find exercised in history . Some down right cruel while in other instances not so much . But there is a notion of voluntary slavery which is something that can be understood in todays context in the employer employee relationship . But it was a common practice during very hard times for people willing to work on a farm or in other enterprises just for room and board .The last example is not that far removed from todays history and can be found in the great depression . But on another note that some people try to contextualize the religion of Christianity is what the Bible says in the old Testament without considering the new . A good example is the notion of a peaceful religion
What is the most disturbing about the Bible is how can the Bible be so morally wrong about slavery?
I can understand why people can be skeptical about these stories .Being skeptical is a good thing imo . As far as being a bit bold to explain what I understand about the subject goes well I might ask you why you were so bold to say something that didn't exist in the text you quoted , and quite boldly too . Was it something you thought it said but was wrong or was it something you thought you would just make up to claim some kind of superiority in history while slamming someone you disagree with to make yourself feel good ?
So why couldn't jesus explain this? Instead of just telling slaves to obey their masters? Did god not realise that we would be looking at these stories in modern times? Seems awfully short sighted for a god. Why would a god need you to clarify this to us now? Where is jesus now? Why wouldn't a god straighten this out? Why do you feel like you know what god actually meant when he inspired some anonymous people to write these stories decades after the events supposedly happened? edit on 20-11-2017 by Woodcarver because: (no reason given) Do you at least understand why people are skeptical about these stories and your boldness to translate what they mean?
I literally posted the entire list of the code of hammurabi. I can't make you read it. Horse meet water.
originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: Woodcarver
I can understand why people can be skeptical about these stories .Being skeptical is a good thing imo . As far as being a bit bold to explain what I understand about the subject goes well I might ask you why you were so bold to say something that didn't exist in the text you quoted , and quite boldly too . Was it something you thought it said but was wrong or was it something you thought you would just make up to claim some kind of superiority in history while slamming someone you disagree with to make yourself feel good ?
So why couldn't jesus explain this? Instead of just telling slaves to obey their masters? Did god not realise that we would be looking at these stories in modern times? Seems awfully short sighted for a god. Why would a god need you to clarify this to us now? Where is jesus now? Why wouldn't a god straighten this out? Why do you feel like you know what god actually meant when he inspired some anonymous people to write these stories decades after the events supposedly happened? edit on 20-11-2017 by Woodcarver because: (no reason given) Do you at least understand why people are skeptical about these stories and your boldness to translate what they mean?
The Bible has a lot of data to consider .Why would God allow people at the time to think the world was flat ? Did it matter to God if they were incorrect ? Do you think God should have used 21st century science to explain to a group of goat herders the facts about the world they live in ? If He did that would not the atheist of the 25th century laugh at the silly explanation that would be then (future) outdated science . Guess what ..He didn't care because its not about what you or I think it should be but about what God thinks . Its only through studying it that we get a glimpse into the mind of God .
Some are interested while others are not . My free will allows me to dare to ask and look . Yours does not .I get that and accept that fact .
Well I didn't find those two rules you said were in the text you provided . Whats up with that ?
A glimpse into the mind of god? Or a glimpse into what people believed god was at the time. Because in other places, and other times, people believed in very different things.
Maybe you're blinded by bias?
originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: Woodcarver
Well I didn't find those two rules you said were in the text you provided . Whats up with that ?
A glimpse into the mind of god? Or a glimpse into what people believed god was at the time. Because in other places, and other times, people believed in very different things.
list all of the reasons you believe the bible is the inspired word of an actual deity?
originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: Woodcarver
Well I didn't find those two rules you said were in the text you provided . Whats up with that ?
A glimpse into the mind of god? Or a glimpse into what people believed god was at the time. Because in other places, and other times, people believed in very different things.
I think there are stories more believable then others .Even what a story does not say matters as to how we think about them . So taking a dogmatic belief about a subject just because makes no sense to me . Other then about the existence of a God when its the only thing that makes sense without being able to prove . In other words I am more convinced of it the more I study it and look into it .
You simply prefer this story over others. There is no good reason to believe in these stories as you plainly say you understand why people are skeptical. Can you explain why you understand people's skepticism?
Because it requires faith (trust) .
list all of the reasons you believe the bible is the inspired word of an actual deity?
I never said i was sure, but when i press others for reasons why they are sure that these stories are true, the answer i get is "faith". Since when is faith an answer for any question? The mere fact that it is offered as an answer is proof that these people don't understand what they believe or why. there are far more reasons to believe that he was not a magic man, than there are reasons to think he was. I have taken the time to show that these stories are without any doubt, plucked from other naratives that are far removed from christianity or jesus.
originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: Woodcarver
So you know for sure Jesus was made up a poor carpenter preaching passifism. Why would the Roman's or the Jews write about him? If he was a religious warlord maybe but that's a different debate.
I'm basically am atheist but atheists are a lot like vegans where they have to tell others why they're atheists for no reason.
And Jesus sure did get pissed when people were selling stuff in the temple. Probably the only time he lost his cool
Faith? Is that an answer to my question? Why do you have this faith?
originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: Woodcarver
Because it requires faith (trust) .
list all of the reasons you believe the bible is the inspired word of an actual deity?