Are the millionaire shooters EMPLOYEES?

Don't worry, I have put it in ATS Skunk Works myself, lol.

Do you think some of the shooters were employed long ago and are sleepers?

Could it be possible that they are given money and contacts to enjoy a good life and in exchange are called upon to to do some social control operations (keep the masses cowering in fear and totally dependent on the system) at any given time?

I have considered this. My step dad's friend was a military special forces operative for the British Army. He did things that you never hear of in the media. He was always deployed covertly, before military action officially was even green lighted. My step dad used to sail with him doing yacht deliveries after the guy retired. He suffered severe depression and had to do a stint on a psychiatric ward. It is like he was haunted by stuff he had done before. He killed himself in the finish. He had a lovely wife, house, yacht, too. He lived just over the road from where I grew up. I liked him, but he was not very good with kids; the guy hardly spoke. Even my dad said when he was sailing with him he never let anything on. I'll not say any more as I keep certain secrets. I am no cad or grass where security is concerned, but I do question our system 24/7.

It does sometimes flash across my mind that people like Paddock were given lots of goodies a long time ago and told that one day they would be required to be CASHED IN LIKE A CHIP.

Remember the guy who committed all the shoot em up blow em up crimes in Norway?:

en.wikipedia.org...

The first attack was a car bomb explosion in Oslo within Regjeringskvartalet, the executive government quarter of Norway, at 15:25:22 (CEST).[1] The bomb was made from a mixture of fertiliser and fuel oil[15][16] and placed in the back of a van.[17] The van was placed next to the tower block housing the office of Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg.[18] The explosion killed eight people and injured at least 209 people, twelve of them seriously.[10][11][12]

The second attack occurred less than two hours later at a summer camp on the island of Utøya in Tyrifjorden, Buskerud. The camp was organized by the AUF, the youth division of the ruling Norwegian Labour Party (AP). Breivik, dressed in a homemade police uniform and showing false identification,[19][20] took a ferry to the island and opened fire at the participants, killing 68 of them outright,[7][8] and injuring at least 110 people, 55 of them seriously;[11][12] the 69th victim died in a hospital two days after the massacre.[9] Among the dead were personal friends of Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg, and the stepbrother of Norway's crown princess Mette-Marit.[21]

Both that guy and Stephen Paddock seemed to have never ending sources of money. May be they did get it through the sweat of their own brows, but a niggling voice inside me will not shut up. I guess that's just the conspiracy theorist in me, eh?

Be sure to put a little by for your future torment

I'll be watching.

Be seeing you.

a reply to: Revolution9

Nice correlation!

A lot of these shooters have lives that seem a bit improbable. They often do not seem to be the type of people who you would normally think of as someone who would do this. It seems odd to me that someone who could commit mass murder would be a perfectly well behaved person all their life until they're in their 60s.

a reply to: Revolution9

I think about it all the time.

a reply to: Revolution9
I honestly never made a connection with Stephen Paddock and Anders Brevik, but now that you've pointed it out, just wow. 2 incidents that do seem eerily absent of motive. What was Brevik's motive in the first place?

Very interesting theory... thank you for sharing Rev

Who says serial killers have to be modest poor people? The new "I can get famous AND have the ultimate thrill" trend isn't too much unlike mish mash of the serial killer and 'arson bug' pathology's with a twist of 'steal the show' kleptomania.

But here they've latched on to the "if you want to get peoples attention you've got to hit them with a sledgehammer" logic of "John Doe' in the movie Se7en, which we saw in grand form on 9/11 mind you, with a MSM that will take the entire nation/world for a ride the way they pump it up and make you a celebrity with Hey Hey Hey here's you're big chance to get a total rush stickin it to people you hate while getting 20 minutes of fame maybe even the POTUS will say your name woohoo!!!

Throw in a dash of political ideology AND/OR a nihilist worldview obsessionism, with all of the above, and we're on the right track to explaining the phenomena without any requiring evil puppetmasters variables. So then when we go there well...

Then there is always the Manchurian Candidate concept. The Virginia Tech shooter he was involved in some kind of MKULTRA / DARPA mind sciences experiments. As was the Unabomber. When I saw that movie theater shooter headline that morning as it was happening, I called a friend from outside on my hammock and said 'I wouldn't be surprised if he was involved in some kind of bizarro MKULTRA / DARPA mind sciences experiment'. And I went inside and already just an hour in a quick google search and sure enough he WAS.




EDIT:
My little MSM subrant got me thinking about the 'MSM as "Faces of Death"' just now:

a reply to: Revolution9

You know, sometimes it is almost as if TPTB are doing stuff half blind like the rest of us and are just as exploited. I am also willing to consider that agents in another dimension are "crafting" (socially engineering) us to their blueprint. That little quote of mine could easily cross over as something a dark angel would say as you are awarded your earthly riches. Is there that rebel angel contingent operating just outside of our field of vision? Jesus even said that He saw them cast down to earth. He said the ruler of this earth is none other than the Prince of Angels.

Perhaps us conspiracy theorists are just as played. Perhaps we are part of the distrust game. Distrust breaks all bonds, of family, of husband and wife, of lovers, of business partners, of any RELATIONSHIP, replaced with the loneliness and uncertainty of only the individual, as compromised as they may be, certainly weaker and a lot more vulnerable to compromise. Divide and compromise; sounds like a cunning devil plan to me.

Hope I made sense there. I tried to. As somebody who believes everything Christ says I also believe Him that there is a rebel contingent on the earth that is presently in charge. The most powerful people on the earth are where they spend all their time infiltrating. It is a much greater asset to own a rich and powerful man's soul and behaviour for them.

Perhaps the dark ones are deliberately manufacturing certain elements that breed distrust and paranoia? The game is too far advanced now to be innocent and naive. I can't help but question because trust has been broken and abused. I guess the right stance now to adopt is reason and debate, scrutiny and analysis of motives continually for the time being. Perhaps they like leaving half clues, almost like the intelligence of an arranged plan that we keep almost recognizing as intelligently executed and not coincidence. They want us to pick up on it, but not to ever have proof of it because the game would be up. They operate entirely in secret.

Everything I have written here is conjecture. It is just entertaining possibilities and finding correlations. It is good that we have all brought different theories to the table. We are all aware of so many of them now. That can't be a bad thing for us consciously because we are having to live in a world where people are really doing this to us. We have to think on our feet, surely.

a reply to: Revolution9

I really liked that last post.
I've often said that one of the biggest conspiracies is actually looking into conspiracies..

It's like hey friend who's happy.. the world is DARK! And who do we turn to??

So one of my things is try not to react to what you see. That's like your buttons being pushed.. instead be what you want to see. That's you pushing buttons.

And on the record I have a half belief it's something like agent Smith or demons angels aliens or CIA whatever the name doesn't really matter..

Be what you want to see. Create the game you want to play. Make "them" react to you.

And largely like 98% of "wrongdoers" are just as blind as anyone else. Like you said a victim of the system.. environment is key. Our environment is sick

I've been horribly misled in the past.. handled you could say. I see how one could even create a killer with but a few ingredients like
sleep deprivation/stress/pressure/isolation/threat/
fear/direction/"escape"

Something to always think is never underestimate what someone is capable of, case in point was a guy I knew from when I was running a store years ago.

Long and short this guy was super friendly, energetic and was living the life. A few weeks went by and we did not see him the next I know he had been arrested for murder. He was dating a women who had just divorced her husband, they where getting it on one night when they had a argument and he ended up strangling her then he tried to cover the whole thing up...

Not in a Million years could I have ever seen this happening or even him being anywhere near that situation yet he was and it was admitted. This was someone that a lot of people would say was a good honest mate.

Back to the OP,

In part yes I believe that there are shadow operators that are well funded awaiting orders, I also think that before anything can come out (if they are used up or about the blab) they get off'ed or they are discredited, something like the SAS guy going public about Diana. Also the amount of servicemen that disappear or die in unknown circumstances, currently we have the missing Airmen and there was the spook that was found in his apartment in London locked inside a suitcase that was classed I believe as accidental death???..

I still think that Paddock may have contacts with expats or veterans in the Philippines, there are a number of older gentlemen that are ex military that are keeping their heads down there. That would be something to look into, what was his interests in the Philippines, where did he stay who did he meet or contact?..


RA

a reply to: Reverbs

I like your post, too. I am very glad we both have minds like we have. I feel on top of my game as much as I can be and I think you are, too. ATS are good to hang out with because people here are all suspecting shenanigans, to put it mildly. Yes, I am no longer the interrogated. I am the INTERROGATOR. That is how I think of myself now regarding life in general. It's healthy and a good survival skill, lol. I trust Christ because obviously He was not in it for Himself, poor Chap.

Yes, it is like Agent Smith. There is a virus in the Matrix. It is a wonderful modern metaphor.

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
Who says serial killers have to be modest poor people? The new "I can get famous AND have the ultimate thrill" trend isn't too much unlike the serial killer trend. It's kind of like a mish mash of the 'arson bug' pathology. Or kleptomaniacs.

But here they've latched on to the "if you want to get peoples attention you've got to hit them with a sledgehammer" logic of "John Doe' in the movie Se7en, which we saw in grand form on 9/11 mind you, with a MSM that will take the entire nation/world for a ride the way they pump it up and make you a celebrity with Hey Hey Hey here's you're big chance to get a total rush stickin it to people you hate while getting 20 minutes of fame maybe even the POTUS will say your name woohoo!!!

Throw in a dash of political ideology AND/OR a nihilist worldview obsessionism, with all of the above, and we're on the right track to explaining the phenomena without any requiring evil puppetmasters variables. So then when we go there well...

Then there is always the Manchurian Candidate concept. The Virginia Tech shooter he was involved in some kind of MKULTRA / DARPA mind sciences experiments. As was the Unabomber. When I saw that movie theater shooter headline that morning as it was happening, I called a friend from outside on my hammock and said 'I wouldn't be surprised if he was involved in some kind of bizarro MKULTRA / DARPA mind sciences experiment'. And I went inside and already just an hour in a quick google search and sure enough he WAS.

But doesn't the scenario you've described kind of involve the MSM kind of functioning as puppetmasters of sorts? You would think that at some point they'd realize they're playing a significant role in making these things happen by sensationalizing them and giving the perpetrators so much focus and attention.

I mean the media clearly knows how to influence people so it's hard to believe they wouldn't have a clue what they're doing.

a reply to: BrianFlanders

You would think that at some point they'd realize they're playing a significant role in making these things happen by sensationalizing them and giving the perpetrators so much focus and attention. I mean the media clearly knows how to influence people so it's hard to believe they wouldn't have a clue what they're doing.

Wow, I really like that bit. Shines like a side of a diamond.

a reply to: BrianFlanders

Check out my edit above.

Yeah the MSM knows exactly what they are doing. The concept is older than some of their staff members, as seen in Natural Born Killers (1994).

I've written quite a bit about it now, where today it's understood loud in clear in the circles that operate at this level as academia has pointed the mechanism as being the Emotional Contagion Effect + Copycat Effect = Mass Shooter Contagion Effect, and academia has now even done statistical analysis studies demonstrating its been happening the past 20 years.

Has the MSM slowed their role? Nope, in fact I'm pretty sure the EU MSM have adopted the practice to trigger this ongoing string of Muslim mad machete man trend we're witnessing.

When you have a MSM in league with the over arching agenda of the people who own them and 'the government' (Congress etc and et al), well this thing stokes both the overarching agenda AND the actual broadcast companies bottom lines in all that stoked viewership. Which means instead of Journalism they're playing Mondo / Gonzo games with all of their propaganda efforts.

originally posted by: Revolution9
I'll not say any more as I keep certain secrets.

such a thing (as sleeper agents, agents of chaos, conspiracies to manipulate voters, etc) are only possible due to people like you who are so willing to keep secrets from the public about matters that effect them....

"The very word 'secrecy' is repugnant"

originally posted by: FamCore
a reply to: Revolution9
I honestly never made a connection with Stephen Paddock and Anders Brevik, but now that you've pointed it out, just wow. 2 incidents that do seem eerily absent of motive. What was Brevik's motive in the first place?

Very interesting theory... thank you for sharing Rev

Uhhh, Breivik had very clear motives. He even had a 1,500 page manifesto which can easily be found online. (No, I won't link to it.)

a reply to: Revolution9

Do you think some of the shooters were employed long ago and are sleepers?

Personally, I think he earned his wealth using aircraft to run plane loads of drugs across the border. I think somebody that could do that would exhibit a severe lack of empathy for others (case in point).

I think that he was suppressing guilt feelings by blowing all that money on women drink and gambling. He was surely paranoid (gun collection) and pissed, the gravy train ran out when his pilots license got revoked.

Once he built up such enormous debt and could no longer hide behind denial for a wasted life, he unleashed his pent up anger, tried to blame everyone for his problems; the people that use dope, the women that abandoned him and the casinos that weren't easing his 'pain' anymore.

He decided to take all that pent up anger it out on as many people as possible to pay them back.

It's my continued theory that any thread title with a question mark can be answered NO.
Without fail.

a reply to: Revolution9

Well that's an interesting thought. There's that old stand-by "Follow the money trail". So based on what we've been told about his employment history his million dollar bet sort of gambling habit seemed odd. Where did he get that kind of money? His family just said he was well off because he didn't have kids to support...

It's a little weird.

Or maybe the personality traits of a person who commits mass murder have nothing whatsoever to do with how much money they have.

Maybe being rich, poor, or somewhere in the middle has no bearing on whether or not you are the type of person who will shoot 50 strangers.

a reply to: Sillyolme

Any speculative question can be answer with no, but that doesnt mean it cant be answered with yes.

And then people can set up their own personal self fulfilling prophecies an totally stoke themselves all the time.