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originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: carewemust
Just to be clear, you're openly acknowledging that Trump's deliberately making it harder for people to get healthcare through the ACA, right? And you suspect that he's trying to make it worse in order to force Congress to repeal it and replace it with something new, right?
So what happens to the Americans who need healthcare but can't get it through the crippled ACA if Congress still doesn't pass an alternative to the ACA? It sounds like this ploy is risking people's lives for political gain.
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: xuenchen
It was still a carbon copy of Romney care..
It was still authored by republicans..
If a bunch of republicans vote for some law that protects abortion. That doesn't make "pro choice" the right wing position..
What logical fallacy is that when you pretend one thing means another??
I forget. They are all in Latin.
originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: JoshuaCox
Yet no Republicans voted "yes" on ACA.
And here you can see insurance donates big to Democrats too.
The "lopsidedness" between Ds and Rs is the fact the Rs have more people in Congress, there is no other reason.
opensecrets
Gang of Six, Xuench. Heritage Foundation, RomneyCare.
It's only sad and pathetic when you try to side-step the truth so obviously.
Chairman Max Baucus, in the spring of 2009, signaled his desire to find a bipartisan compromise, working especially closely with Grassley, his dear friend and Republican counterpart, who had been deeply involved in crafting the Republican alternative to Clintoncare. Baucus and Grassley convened an informal group of three Democrats and three Republicans on the committee, which became known as the “Gang of Six.” They covered the parties’ ideological bases; the other GOPers were conservative Mike Enzi of Wyoming and moderate Olympia Snowe of Maine, and the Democrats were liberal Jeff Bingaman of New Mexico and moderate Kent Conrad of North Dakota.
Baucus very deliberately started the talks with a template that was the core of the 1993-4 Republican plan, built around an individual mandate and exchanges with private insurers—much to the chagrin of many Democrats and liberals who wanted, if not a single-payer system, at least one with a public insurance option. Through the summer, the Gang of Six engaged in detailed discussions and negotiations to turn a template into a plan.
originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Gryphon66
So quote the exact language section in the ACA that came about.
And it still doesn't matter.
You will keep paying and paying and paying.
originally posted by: Logarock
a reply to: Gryphon66
Well the whole thing is a gimmie it looks like. The republican back in the day could afford not to vote for it....it was going to pass anyway and they could use the no vote politically. Only need to look at whats going on now to see that.
And costs going up. Yea sure they creep up every year but most surged to 3x former cost after ACA. Many went up by 6 thosand + in to years.
In November, 1993, Sen. John Chafee, R-R.I., introduced what was considered to be one of the main Republican health overhaul proposals: “A bill to provide comprehensive reform of the health care system of the United States.”
Titled the “Health Equity and Access Reform Today Act of 1993,” it had 21 co-sponsors, including two Democrats (Sens. Boren and Kerrey). The bill, which was not debated or voted upon, was an alternative to President Bill Clinton’s plan. It bears similarity to the Democratic bill passed by the Senate Dec. 24, 2009, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.
Subtitle F: Universal Coverage – Requires each citizen or lawful permanent resident to be covered under a qualified health plan or equivalent health care program by January 1, 2005. Provides an exception for any individual who is opposed for religious reasons to health plan coverage, including those who rely on healing using spiritual means through prayer alone.