Christopher Columbus is Next !

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Nyiah

Time to start a petition !!

Pretty sure one floats around every couple of years still, I remember signing one years ago. However, if mere petitions actually worked with the federal government, it'd be changed by now.

to be fair, columbus was a terrible person.

Columbus, the Indians, and Human Progress

If Trump wanted to pull a genius move he would enforce “The Antiquities Act” of 1906, (Pub.L. 59–209, 34 Stat. 225, 54 U.S.C. § 320301–320303), passed by the United States Congress and signed into law by Theodore Roosevelt on June 8, 1906 to PROTECT ALL AMERICAN MONUMENTS IN PERPETUITY.

It's already illegal to remove the statues

Is this true?

Who cares if Columbus was a bad person, he is a very historic figure in human history. I think we should celebrate human history, the good, and the bad, as it all has made us who we are today. The good, we can try and emulate, the bad we can learn from our mistakes so as not to repeat them. You need to understand both if we are going to build a better future.

originally posted by: fiverx313
to be fair, columbus was a terrible person.

Columbus, the Indians, and Human Progress

He was?

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: xuenchen

Good...

He didn't discover $H!T and and was a genocidal mass murder...


And that isn't some modern day civilization talking...

He was jailed by the queen of Spain when she found out about his atrocities..

"This is from memory) but a cleric who accompanied him went crazy after the barbarity he saw... there was something about the priest who went with him that was really jacked up to.. but the exact details escape me..

Your right and your post needs repeating. Columbus was a known historical mass murderer.

Worst even than Lee and the confederate reprobates.

a reply to: TruMcCarthy

HOW is he a really important figure?!?!

Him being like the 6th person the "discover America?!?"

a reply to: Willtell

WAY WORSE!!

a reply to: xuenchen

Looking through the biased-prism of history. . . . everyone in the past could be considered a complete dick.

a reply to: Stormdancer777

Well that's easy...

They are confederate statues..

Not American statues..

Lol...just lol..

a reply to: DBCowboy

No Columbus was considered a monster IN HIS OWN TIME!

Your right history has to be judged on a curve.. compared to their contemporaries rather than Modern people's..

Except the Queen of Spain then his @$$ in jail when she heard what he had done..and against here specific orders. She told him to make treaties not slaves..

So his crimes were SO BAD that even him being a national hero/celebrity wasn't enough to stop him being jailed.


Columbus is seriously like a top 20 war criminal in history.. a list the confederacy doesn't even break the top 50 on..

He is like the worst possible example..

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: TruMcCarthy

HOW is he a really important figure?!?!

Him being like the 6th person the "discover America?!?"

Are you joking? His voyages to the America's were the catalyst in setting off European migration to the "New World", which clearly was one of the most radical, influential events in human history. Whether for good or bad, anyone who claims Columbus isn't a monumental figure in history is a fool.

a reply to: JoshuaCox

You have convinced me. History needs to be erased. It seems you can't swing a dead cat without hitting some historical asshole. tear everything down, and rename it all to flowers and herbs.

Where are we gonna start?

originally posted by: TruMcCarthy
Who cares if Columbus was a bad person, he is a very historic figure in human history. I think we should celebrate human history, the good, and the bad, as it all has made us who we are today. The good, we can try and emulate, the bad we can learn from our mistakes so as not to repeat them. You need to understand both if we are going to build a better future.

Columbus' misdeeds aside...you're going to have to come up with something better than that as to why he's important to the US when he had nothing to do with the discovery of it. Someone else beat him to it 500 years beforehand, and the next guy who actually did find it post-Columbus has no holiday for himself. I don't see a federal John Cabot Day to mark the importance of the actual discovery of the North American continent, do you? In this context, Columbus is not important to the US. That's like saying Genghis Khan gets proximity discovery credit for discovering somewhere his hoards never went to begin with.

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: ClovenSky

You should read a history book on Columbus 'a atrocities.. he was jailed for them IN HIS OWN TIME and only freed because the king liked him personally.

In a time when EVERYONE was a racist imperialist, he was jailed for his atrocities...

That wasn't easy in that time period..


Columbus WAS hitler... he makes basically every slave owner in the south look like the tooth fairy..

Damn, thanks for that history lesson - did not know the full story. Here's a good video about the true Columbus:



and a slightly different retelling:

a reply to: TruMcCarthy

Yea someone else doesn't make the trip the next week anyway...

That was always gonna happen 99% chance that generation.

The only thing he did was let Spain get their first.

That doesn't over shadow the massacres he ordered..

Atrocities bad enough to piss off people in his own time..

Just as a taste..

There was no gold and he cut the hands off those who couldn't meet his quota and there is a passage about how his men prefer the prepubescent native girls when deciding who to rape..

a reply to: xuenchen

Paid protesting should be illegal.

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: TruMcCarthy
Who cares if Columbus was a bad person, he is a very historic figure in human history. I think we should celebrate human history, the good, and the bad, as it all has made us who we are today. The good, we can try and emulate, the bad we can learn from our mistakes so as not to repeat them. You need to understand both if we are going to build a better future.

That's like saying Genghis Khan gets proximity discovery credit for discovering somewhere his hoards never went to begin with.

Genghis Khan is also a monumental figure in history.

originally posted by: TruMcCarthy

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: TruMcCarthy
Who cares if Columbus was a bad person, he is a very historic figure in human history. I think we should celebrate human history, the good, and the bad, as it all has made us who we are today. The good, we can try and emulate, the bad we can learn from our mistakes so as not to repeat them. You need to understand both if we are going to build a better future.

That's like saying Genghis Khan gets proximity discovery credit for discovering somewhere his hoards never went to begin with.

Genghis Khan is also a monumental figure in history.

He is not, however, paraded falsely as a discoverer of a land he never touched in his life.

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: TruMcCarthy

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: TruMcCarthy
Who cares if Columbus was a bad person, he is a very historic figure in human history. I think we should celebrate human history, the good, and the bad, as it all has made us who we are today. The good, we can try and emulate, the bad we can learn from our mistakes so as not to repeat them. You need to understand both if we are going to build a better future.

That's like saying Genghis Khan gets proximity discovery credit for discovering somewhere his hoards never went to begin with.

Genghis Khan is also a monumental figure in history.

He is not, however, paraded falsely as a discoverer of a land he never touched in his life.

Irrelevant whether Columbus "discovered" America or not, he was the catalyst for one of the most radical, influential changes ever. Columbus had a profound impact on human history, I don't know how anyone can even dispute that fact?