Originally posted by masqua
Because no-one ever found God there...just the community. The sense of 'belonging' and 'fellowship' is found in churches, but you'll only find
God in yourself.
Far from the truth. Many seekers come to church trying to find out what this whole thing is about or because another church goes invites them to come
along. The church is a powerful tool for leading people to the Truth.
It's a great feeling...to belong to something and to be 'accepted' by a large group. This is what makes cults great...you feel so needed you never
want to leave. Nor do they want you to...because they need the money...for church upkeep, paying the good reverend/priest/priestess, manse
That's a really cynical view. At my church, the people help you to grow in your walk with the Lord. You find people who hold you accountable for
your actions and help you to change them, rather than condemn you or tell you it's fine to continue doing what you're doing.
It's all about bigger and better, more glitter and gilded statuaries. Lots of pomp and show. A lot like Las Vegas, come to think of it...
It is about bigger and better, but my church doesn't have a single statue, pomp, or show. It's a large, nondescript white building (with a ping pong
table in the basement
) without a lot of glitz. The church I go to started in a movie theater. The bigger and better means bigger church because
it's growing and they need more room, better meaning more members with more spiritual gifts and understanding to help the church deliver an even
What would Jesus think of the buildings built in his name? My guess is He would think it a waste of money better spent on the poor...you know, those
homeless people you see lying on cardboard while driving the Jaguar to the monumental edifice commonly known as a church, where everyone is so nicely
done up in their 'Sunday Best' pretending to be holier than the next for at least an hour a week.
The next time our church shows the budget, I'll post it on here. Most of the offerings (about 75%) goes towards charities and outreaches. Most of the
people who work in the church, myself included, do it purely voulentarily. The pastors do it full time as their only job and are leading groups all
other days of the week, so they need a salary to sustain themselves. People who don't go to church and don't participate in church think it's all
about the money, but when a church is struggling, the pastor usually takes the first cut. They want the church to survive, not their own
I bet He would scoff at the temples.
He went into temples and delivered his messages there most of the time. The only temple He had a problem with was when they were changing money in
direct violation of the Law passed to Moses. Even then, he just flipped the money tables and chaced all the money changers out. He didn't condemn the
temple, He condemned using it for ungodly reasons.
Church is just a place to show off...see and be seen...hypocrites eyeing hypocrites.
Absloutly not true. No one knows my points of failure and where my walk with the Lord is faltering than a couple of my friends at church and my
pastor. They know the real Jake, not the Jake hiding my weaknesses. If anything, I'm a hypocrite outside of church.
Churches are a business...making money to perpetuate their sham spirituality, lining the pockets of charlatans and liars professing a nearness to
Churches are around to help spread the word of God. Most of the money they make they give away to charities. The rest of it is spent towards improving
their facilities to give more room to allow more people to hear the message.
You don't need anyone or anything to find God. Just like you said in your intro, Mizar...I've found That in myself.
This is true, God can be seen in everything out there, from a sunset to a leaf to a fingerprint. Yet there are many athiests out there who don't see
Him in these things. There are many out there who see him but try to live good lives. How do you live a life that would be considered "good" by a
perfect being? This is why we have Christ, he offers us a bridge to the creator, who is totally good and totally just. He offers us forgiveness for
that which we do that is evil, and allows us to not only be innovent in God's eyes, but to be friends with God. A church helps many people realize
this. It helps all people grow in this.