Man saluting statue escorted by police

a reply to: carewemust

Are you implying statues of Robert e Lee are on the same level as a statue of Kennedy or King?

Surely you arent. Or has the debate evolved to Lee was a good guy, as were all the rebels? I cant tell anymore.

a reply to: bknapple32

No, no, no. I'm saying there is a conscious choice to be made.

When I look at the American flag, I am filled with hope and reminded of what it costs to have freedom (to what end is another discussion). I choose assign those beliefs to that object.

It's not up to me to decide what it should mean to you.

a reply to: Grambler

Wouldn't encouraging hate and violence be equally as dangerous? Akin to stirring up a hornet's nest. Gotta factor that in. The MSM certainly doesn't help.

a reply to: Grambler

Ahhhh

Ok I comepletey see your point ( I hope)

The argument would be all things being equal ( yes we get it Nazis decades ago killed countless people, but not this group, still the same disgusting hate, but no deaths).....

Who is more dangerous?

The neo nazi's who get universal condemnation from the MSM and really anyone out in the open?

Or the violent group of antifa or the violent sects of BLM ( sects, not all of blm is violent and has condemned acts ) that goes unchecked by the MSM

If I see your point... You may have changed my opinion on the topic at hand here. I think you may be right, that an unchecked violent group could in fact pose more of a threat to the country than a checked one.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: bknapple32

No, no, no. I'm saying there is a conscious choice to be made.

When I look at the American flag, I am filled with hope and reminded of what it costs to have freedom (to what end is another discussion). I choose assign those beliefs to that object.

It's not up to me to decide what it should mean to you.

Oh I see. Very good point. Exactly. My ancestors didnt get enslaved and then die in bondage. So who am I to tell someone otherwise

a reply to: bknapple32


They are all a part of America's history. Both good and bad. Remembering the past properly, helps to shape whatever future is desired.

a reply to: carewemust

I would argue the history books havent changed. You could take down every single statue in the country. The books still tell the story. So I dont see history being erased. You do. I get it. I dont hate you for it. I wish youd see it a bit more empathetically for the folks who truly are offended for good reason. But again- that shouldnt mean we need to argue or fight right?

An alternative political movement that seeks to unite those who feel underrepresented or marginalized by current mainstream political channels, who seek to adhere to left-wing policies while rejecting what they deem the regressive left agenda; "Identity Politics", "Censorship in College campuses","Trigger Warnings", "All whites are racist", "All men are sexist" and other bs narratives .

www.urbandictionary.com...
That was way before Trump.
I used to call myself alt-left. Now I am not so sure anymore. Thanks Trump!

originally posted by: bknapple32

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: bknapple32

No, no, no. I'm saying there is a conscious choice to be made.

When I look at the American flag, I am filled with hope and reminded of what it costs to have freedom (to what end is another discussion). I choose assign those beliefs to that object.

It's not up to me to decide what it should mean to you.

Oh I see. Very good point. Exactly. My ancestors didnt get enslaved and then die in bondage. So who am I to tell someone otherwise

Are you sure? What year is the cutoff?

a reply to: bknapple32

See, this right here is the problem.
People get triggered by their lack of knowledge, plain and simple. Do you even know who Robert E. Lee was? One of the greatest military generals your country has ever had or was he a racist? Do you know the full story of Robert E. Lee?

What do they teach you at school?

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: bknapple32

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: bknapple32

No, no, no. I'm saying there is a conscious choice to be made.

When I look at the American flag, I am filled with hope and reminded of what it costs to have freedom (to what end is another discussion). I choose assign those beliefs to that object.

It's not up to me to decide what it should mean to you.

Oh I see. Very good point. Exactly. My ancestors didnt get enslaved and then die in bondage. So who am I to tell someone otherwise

Are you sure? What year is the cutoff?

cutoffs should be personal too right? I think were agreeing, but lately im never sure these days

a reply to: Nikola014

They taught me he was a genius war general. And a traitor to the union. One can be smart and powerful and still on the wrong side of history my friend.

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: Grambler

Wouldn't encouraging hate and violence be equally as dangerous? Akin to stirring up a hornet's nest. Gotta factor that in. The MSM certainly doesn't help.

yes encouraging hate is definitkly to be blamed.

That is why it is so dangerous to give one violent hateful group a pass just because the other group is so disgusting.

It emboldens the antifa types. They riot at Berkley, no one arrested. Then they do it over and over again with very little legal consequence and many influential people making excuses for them because "They are responding to Trumps hate" or other such ridiculous reason, or complete ignoring them or downplaying them

And now in this incident, the media is acting like the very idea of calling them out somehow makes you a nazi defender. Again, I can post hundreds of examples for the media doing this.

What do you think happens next?

They will step in up. They know they can get away with it, and the violence with increase.

And as they have shown, its not just nazis; its anyone the disagree with.

And so when they seriously hurt or injure someone next, what will the media say then? The encouraged this violence by not allowiung people to condemn it.

Maybe a little misplaced, but any video evidence of the left doing violence in VA? I had to disconnect for a couple of days, I haven't seen any, but am willing to accept it happened with evidence.

originally posted by: bknapple32

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: bknapple32

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: bknapple32

No, no, no. I'm saying there is a conscious choice to be made.

When I look at the American flag, I am filled with hope and reminded of what it costs to have freedom (to what end is another discussion). I choose assign those beliefs to that object.

It's not up to me to decide what it should mean to you.

Oh I see. Very good point. Exactly. My ancestors didnt get enslaved and then die in bondage. So who am I to tell someone otherwise

Are you sure? What year is the cutoff?

cutoffs should be personal too right? I think were agreeing, but lately im never sure these days

I thought you were being satirical? IDK either. I wasn't picking an argument, just seeing your views and attempting to expand on the logic.

a reply to: bknapple32


Humans like monuments. The country is filled with them. Everyone from War Heroes to Famous Inventors have monuments, streets, and buildings named after them. It is what it is..

a reply to: JinMI

No I was agreeing with you! Ha. See so hard to tell on the internet. Its amazing more arguments dont break out!

In short. We agree. Not being satirical.. Would love to expand the thought

a reply to: bknapple32

Staying loyal to your country/state, even when faced with an opponent who's numbers largely exceeds your own, is always something admirable.

a reply to: carewemust

As a patriot I dont like monuments to traitors. But thats where my views personally end on the debate. The rest is out of thought for others; lives I havent lived, shoes I havent walked in.

a reply to: Nikola014

Right but sometimes the bad guys arent the Goliath right? sometimes the bad guys are the David.

He may have stood for what he thought was right. But in short, he was a traitor and lost. Had the south won, perhaps the textbooks are different. And we all have different views from upbringing. But thats not the reality I live in.