Your false comparisons with Confederate Statues.

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: TheOneElectric

He was a character...

A weird mix of honor and pragmatism, but absolutely a creature of his time rather than the anti slavery , lost cause fiction.. ...

There are about 10 civil war figures who's history rocks..

The confederate ones were traitors... but still makes for some great stories..

It wont be long until joshua will be labeling people defending the constitution and/or anyone that supports the freedoms of the alt right as traitors too.

a reply to: Hazardous1408

racism comes in all colors . Tearing down the past does not solve the problem . I can see your racism in the words you write .

a reply to: Hazardous1408

The confederate statues weren't placed there by people who were thinking "in a hundred years, people will need to study this"...

They were placed there to highlight supremacy.

Mostly true, it seems.

These are two very telling graphs:

The first is a timeline of when monuments were erected, and shows corresponding social issues or legal precedents involving African Americans (image is too big to post to ATS and still be decipherable). The first big spike in erection surrounded the formation of the NAACP; the second and third largest spikes after WWI, and during the Civil Rights movement, respectively.

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And this, which is a graph of the naming of schools after Confederates, which peaked after Brown V. Board of Education.



There is definitely a trend here, and it appears to not be "we have to remember these people," but rather a direct reaction to African American advances in modern society after the war.

Very telling.

Link to article

a reply to: Liquesence

They were placed there to highlight supremacy.

The confederates lost.

those statues simply do not belong on public land, any more than a ten commandments monument belongs at a courthouse.

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: Liquesence

They were placed there to highlight supremacy.

The confederates lost.

And all this time, I thought they had won. :/

Pretty sure the OP meant "white" supremacy.

a reply to: fiverx313

If historic statues do not belong on public land, what statues do? Do any statues belong anywhere but museums?


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a reply to: Liquesence

So statues of military leaders who lost a major nation changing civil war represent white supremacy?

Again, they lost.

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: Liquesence

So statues of military leaders who lost a major nation changing civil war represent white supremacy?

Again, they lost.

Did you even read my post, or are you intentionally ignoring the point therein?

Gosh, people here have convinced me that there is nothing and no one good about the South. We should just declare war on it and nuke it. Turn it into a giant glass parking lot!

That'll teach those Confederate soldiers in their graves!

a reply to: Liquesence

How dare you have a quote from Thomas Jefferson in your sig?

I think we all know what you are ...

a reply to: Liquesence

Read it. The fact that the statues were placed in the mid 70's could mean many things.

If we surgically cut out certain distasteful parts of history we will be doing future generations a disservice.

a reply to: seasonal

Read it.

Then perhaps you didn't comprehend the historical and social significance to which their erection seems to point, considering what was happening at the time(s).

If we surgically cut out certain distasteful parts of history we will be doing future generations a disservice.

I'm not arguing whether they should be removed or not. I'm simply pointing out that their erection corresponds to certain social advances by African Americans, which seems to indicate it was somewhat intentional.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Liquesence

How dare you have a quote from Thomas Jefferson in your sig?

I think we all know what you are ...

I don't follow.

a reply to: Liquesence

key word "seem"

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: Liquesence

key word "seem"

Yup.

It's a reasonable and logical presumption, too.

a reply to: Hazardous1408

Are you okay with destroying any item that offends?

originally posted by: ketsuko
Gosh, people here have convinced me that there is nothing and no one good about the South. We should just declare war on it and nuke it. Turn it into a giant glass parking lot!

That'll teach those Confederate soldiers in their graves!

Well, it's the only way to be sure. . . . .

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Liquesence

How dare you have a quote from Thomas Jefferson in your sig?

I think we all know what you are ...

I don't follow.

White slaveholder, helped construct a white oppressive racist government construct ...

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: fiverx313

If historic statues do not belong on public land, what statues do? Do any statues belong anywhere but museums?


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historic statues that were placed to glorify acts of treason and legitimize the 'lost cause' do not belong on public land. this is not very hard to understand, unless you don't want to understand it.