Berkeley Hot Dog Stand Fires Cook Seen At Charlottesville Protest

originally posted by: aliensanonymous
...if said employee was marching in an LGBT rally draped in a rainbow flag could he also be fired? Or marching for BLM, and of african american heritage, would there not then be an uproar due to the employer being racist?

Employees can be fired for their extra-vocational activities. They can be fired for having green socks.

The business is also open to ramifications from the public on why they may have terminated an employee but I am going to go out on a limb and say they are not going to get much grief if they fired a neo-Nazi.

Again, I have no problem with the business firing this guy.

But this online outing of people can be dangerous.

The prior owner of the car that killed the woman is now receiving death threats.

A Michigan man is facing death threats after being wrongly identified on several alt-right websites as the owner and driver of a car that drove into a crowd in Charlottesville, Virginia, Saturday. Jerome Vangheluwo, of Macomb County, was once the owner of the Dodge involved in the deadly crash at yesterday’s rally – but sold the car in 2012 to a dealership.

detroit.cbslocal.com... hite-nationalist-rally-in-charlottesville/

I am all for the outing of these folks on both sides. If you are supposedly proud enough of your views to show up at a rally or a protest then you cant start crying when it comes time to own it. I mean what's to hide? Now if those views make family, friends, or employers upset well then so be it. It might actually cause some self reflection.

That being said, the whole doxxing of wrong people happening lately is dangerous. Identities should never be outed unless 100% confirmed.

Also, this should be expected in this day and age with social media and pictures of damn near everyone with their associated identity being available online. The smart ones will wear masks. Which proves they are not proud or confident enough of their views to be seen supporting them openly so therefore less of a chance of being outed. May not be fair but its not rocket science.

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Abysha

Firing a Nazi sympathizer is just smart business.

Political speech/belief/expression is protected.

From government consorship or reprisal.

originally posted by: DJMSN
a reply to: olaru12

I agree with your sentiments but would like to know where you draw the line. If you had a member of an ANTIFA group working for you, would you also apply the same to them ? What about individuals whose political party support you don't agree with, do the same values apply ? Just curious as to how far we should draw a line in the sand?

I draw the line at anyone affecting my business in a detrimental way.

I don't have to explain my business practices to you or anyone else.

btw....you need not apply!! I don't like your politics and don't trust you; pokin your nose in where it doesn't belong... deal with it...

Go draw your line anywhere you want...

You reap what you sow.....Galatians 6:7

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: rickymouse

Ok. So outside of special circumstances, what do you think the odds are that he called in sick versus took a vacation?

Around here, people who work in Hot dog stands do not get vacations. Our College does have kitchen help for the cafeteria, and they may get a benefit like that there, but our college does not have things like hot dog stands. If people working in Hot dog stands in California get vacations, I think that maybe everyone should go work in California.

So an employee isn't allowed to find someone to cover his shifts a few days when he wants to go on out of town where you are from? Because that is how it worked when I was a teenager working wage jobs. I may not directly get vacation days but we could still take vacation if our shift was covered.

a reply to: Abysha

Work-at-will state. I can fire all the Nazis I want to.

If that's the case someone else can fire 'Gays' because they don't like them.

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: Irishhaf

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: xuenchen

joy so now we get a snowflake over reaction to someone exercising their constitutional rights.

Unless he committed a crime while there, or tried to say he was representing the company he worked for, he should not be fired.

Murdering a woman with your car is a "snowflake over reaction".

Firing a Nazi sympathizer is just smart business.

Thanks for making my point.

So you know for 100% verified fact that this guy went?

the entire thing is sadly ironic.

Your post I was responding to wasn't about whether or not he was there; it was about you calling the employer a snowflake for firing somebody because he was exercising his constitutional right to be a Nazi.

again thank you for proving my point, you read into it what you wanted to see, did not ask clarification just commented and declared victory.

originally posted by: eNumbra

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Abysha

Firing a Nazi sympathizer is just smart business.

Political speech/belief/expression is protected.

From government consorship or reprisal.

Them anti discrimination LAWS include nazis.

Anti-discrimination law refers to the law on the right of people to be treated equally. Some countries mandate that in employment, in consumer transactions, and in political participation people must be dealt with on an equal basis regardless of economic status, sex, age, race, ethnicity, nationality, disability, mental illness or ability, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity/expression/dysphoria, sex characteristics, religious, creed,or individual political opinions.

en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: olaru12

I am not your enemy or at least don't want to be as I in fact agree with you. I am simply asking questions. Allow me to ask another question since I see you quoting bible verses to strengthen your (our) position. If the government denied your business a contract based on your personal religious beliefs, would that cross the line ? Would you fire someone for being a Catholic if you happen to be a Southern Baptist ? Would you fire someone who is an Agnostic or Atheist ? I am just curious where the line is as it seems to be a very long line. Again I don't disagree but just curious where it all stops.

And it is a discussion board not just an opinion board so just asking question for discussion, not to start any sort of fight. Also since you don't know me from Adam it is fair for you to not trust me but again it is a discussion board not a place to fight or disparage one another so why not welcome questions and perhaps learn from one another. We have enough hatred to fight as it is and if we all do it together instead of at each other's throats, it will be easier to fight the intolerance and hatred that exists.

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Abysha

Work-at-will state. I can fire all the Nazis I want to.

If that's the case someone else can fire 'Gays' because they don't like them.

It's not unconstitutional to fire a Nazi but it is unconstitutional to fire someone for being gay.

sad how some on the left do not even realize what they are doing.

Identify them by their beliefs.. segregate them for punishment.. Mmm where have I read about this kind of behavior before.

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: neo96

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originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Abysha

Work-at-will state. I can fire all the Nazis I want to.

If that's the case someone else can fire 'Gays' because they don't like them.

It's not unconstitutional to fire a Nazi but it is unconstitutional to fire someone for being gay.

The 14th makes no distinction.

I love justified bigotry.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

www.law.cornell.edu...

Guess 'dem evil nazis aren't people.

a reply to: xuenchen

"Berkeley Hot Dog Stand Fires Cook Seen At Charlottesville Protest"

Good.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Yeah, here they do things like that all the time. Trading shifts with people is still common.

But they probably only have two people who work the stand, I do not know if the employer has lots of these stands, maybe it just shut down while the guy was gone. Maybe the other shift went double. There was not enough information in that article to find out what really happened.

a reply to: neo96

Just an fyi, at will employment is a conservative thing. It gives the employer the freedom to run his business however he wants. Getting rid of it would be Socialist in nature. Like it or not, that guy was legally fired and "Nazi" isn't a protected class of citizen.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Explictaly understand people in the corproate world need to watch their extra curicular and social media activities impacting upon their position.

So young people in dead end jobs can have a weekend bender post the wrong video and there goes there position. Employers have the upper hand over employees in Cali.

Personally people who are stupid enough to post everything down to there last bowl movement on social media. Are not going to be great employees anyhow. Do not use social media myself.

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Abysha

Work-at-will state. I can fire all the Nazis I want to.

If that's the case someone else can fire 'Gays' because they don't like them.

No. But you could for somebody for espousing anti-straight ideology and not be violating law.

Just like you can't fire somebody for being white but you can fire a racist.