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originally posted by: Argentbenign
a reply to: IAMTAT
The ancient understanding is the essential one, both of Satan and Lucifer. However things changed throughout history... By the way that's why I pointed at the word "Modern" in the headline.
And just to mention for the few ones who might be still wondering, Lucifer and Satan are indeed only far cousins, nothing like the same thing...
originally posted by: toysforadults
By people who enjoy engaging in this kind of conversation where we discuss ideas and don't feel it necessary to strictly enforce outdated dogmas and split hairs over every little detail otherwise known as pedantic.
Lucifer as an evil entity who is the embodiment of evil/darkness is a very well known and broad generalization...
The idea behind the post is that there is a group of dark magicians operating behind the scenes of music weather or not Lucifer is the correct deity that represents this logic makes zero difference in the overall discussion of this topic.
Lucifer, ( Latin: Lightbearer) Greek Phosphorus, or Eosphoros, in classical mythology, the morning star (i.e., the planet Venus at dawn); personified as a male figure bearing a torch, Lucifer had almost no legend, but in poetry he was often herald of the dawn. In Christian times Lucifer came to be regarded as the name of Satan before his fall. It was thus used by John Milton (1608–74) in Paradise Lost, and the idea underlies the proverbial phrase “as proud as Lucifer.”
Septuagint translation of "Helel [read "Helal"] ben Shaḥar" (= "the brilliant one," "son of the morning"), name of the day, or morning, star, to whose mythical fate that of the King of Babylon is compared in the prophetic vision (Isa. xiv. 12-14).
Even at the time of the Latin writer Augustine of Hippo (354–430), "Lucifer" had not yet become a common name for the Devil.
Some time later, the metaphor of the morning star that Isaiah 14:12 applied to a king of Babylon gave rise to the general use of the Latin word for "morning star", capitalized, as the original name of the devil before his fall from grace, linking Isaiah 14:12 with Luke 10:18 ("I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven") and interpreting the passage in Isaiah as an allegory of Satan's fall from heaven.) Source
The fact that you think the Lucifer myth is ancient is even more troubling.
Isaiah 14:12-17New King James Version (NKJV)
The Fall of Lucifer
12 “How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer,[a] son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations!
13 For you have said in your heart:
‘I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High.’
15 Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol,
To the lowest depths of the Pit.
16 “Those who see you will gaze at you,
And consider you, saying:
‘Is this the man who made the earth tremble,
Who shook kingdoms,
17 Who made the world as a wilderness
And destroyed its cities,
Who did not open the house of his prisoners?’