ATS kindergarten

The love of money cannot be the root of all evil.

When people lie out of convenience or when spouses cheat on each other something else is usually going on. Those are simple examples.

The only difference I see is one is forced slavery, while on the other hand one can still opt out and bug out. Choice two is not without difficulties, but enough freedoms are left to facilitate a try at it.
Kind of reminds me of 'The Mark of The Beast, where nobody could buy or sell........
As Janis said
"Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose"

originally posted by: muzzleflash
The love of money cannot be the root of all evil.

When people lie out of convenience or when spouses cheat on each other something else is usually going on. Those are simple examples.

It could be argued that people and and cheat for money all the
time.

In a word Prostitute.

Also there is the difference between sin and evil.
So there's that.

originally posted by: Box of Rain
Money is simply an accounting tool that is used to help keep track of the work people have done and the things they've sold.

It's used to keep the books straight.

By the way, I'm serious about what I said in the post above, and I don't mean it to be some allegory about how we are all just numbers in someone's ledger.

I'm being quite literal when I describe money as simply being a convenient way for us to keep track of the work we've done and the items we've sold (items that ultimately tie back to the work we've done to produce those items). In that respect, money is simply an accounting tool, literally.

That is to say, a person's intrinsic value is NOT in the money he has, but rather in the work that person can do (labor or mental work) that other people need/desire. The person's work is what has the value, and money is just a convenient way to keep an accounting tally on that work.

Let's say we are in a time before money, and I'm a person who is willing to work to help sustain myself. You are a farmer who grows apples who needs someone to pick his apples. We agree that I will do "X" amount of apple picking and get "X" amount of apples for myself in return. We both get what we need -- you get your apples picked, and I get food for myself.

Now, let's say I don't like apples. The man down the road makes bread and he loves apples. So I pick the apples, get apples, then take those apples down the road to the baker, give him the apples -- and he gives me bread to eat.

I this case, the apples are not food for me (because I don't like them), but a temporary "thing" that I can give to someone else in return for something I do like, which would be the bread. Instead, the apples were just like money for me....

...i.e., they were being used as an accounting tool to keep track of how much work I did for the apple farmer (units of apple-picking work), and I negotiated with the bread maker how many units of that apple-picking work (symbolized by the number of apples I got for that work) equated to a loaf of bread.

Now, multiply this idea by many many more people who want many many different things in life, and these apples could just get traded back and forth between people -- and for most of those people the apples might not represent an edible fruit, but instead represent a thing that could be given to someone else in return for something those people need (non-apple food, clothing, work done, etc.).

In time, it becomes more practical to use something else besides apples for trading (since apples rot). So everyone eventually agrees that some paper with the faces of presidents or monarchs on them will be a stand-in for apples. However, this paper works the same way as the apples, in as much as it simply is a way to keep track of the work I've done...

Money is not the thing of value you get for you doing work. The work you've done is the thing of value; money is just a way to keep track of the work you've done.

...So in that way, money is simply an accounting tool.

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: tigertatzen

That is way beyond enslavement. It is more like Stockholm Syndrome on steroids. Lots of steroids.

I think you touch on it well here tiger. It is a matter of consciousness, that our very consciousness is entwined with our mediums of exchange and how we regulate or interactions.

In a manner, it occurs to me that the present system of exchange is fundamentally based, not on fair and equal exchange but rather the advantage one can secure at the expense of another. To me, it seems a predatory system.

That is precisely what it is. It is absolutely predatory, and encourages people to become ever more obsessed with the idea that the more wealth they acquire; the more ridiculously overpriced crap that they"own", the better or more superior they will be than their fellow human beings. It also encourages the ridicule and disdain for those who are going hungry and otherwise suffering without it, rather than for people to share their excess with those less fortunate. Ever see some well dressed person on the street make a face and circumvent a homeless person far beyond necessity to avoid touching them...like maybe their bad fortune might be contagious? It's almost amusing...in a truly pathetic kind of way.

For anyone who marvels at the apparent depravity of people who murder others for money, well, take your righteous indignation and misguided sense of moral superiority out of the analysis and it's not too difficult to understand why. There would be no need for such desperation if the need had not been manufactured in the first place. Is killing someone for their wallet any worse than stepping over a ragged, dirty homeless man having a heart attack in the doorway of a gas station? Incredibly, there are plenty of people who would actually answer that question in the affirmative.

People like to say that death is the "great equalizer". But I disagree. I say that the death of money would be far more effective at reminding people that no one of us is truly superior to any other.

originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: tigertatzen

Wow that is obviously a rebuttal that represents a lot
of forethought in regards to todays lesson. A+

Why, thank you.😉 I've had cause to learn this lesson some time back myself. One of the best things that ever happened to me.

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire

originally posted by: AnonSapien
Who/What CONTROLS the monetary system might be a good place to find the answer. Perhaps you'll find out it's the same person(s) behind every other system that targets our perception/reality.

Good place to start Anon. Yes, who does control it. Many here will easily say that it is controlled by those who can be labeled socialist. But that makes no real sense to me. Rather it would seem that those in control of this monetary system are in one form or another those who can be labeled capitalists.

It won't be long before we'll see for ourselves who these people are. I must say it does make me smile at the thought of how people are going to react when it becomes painfully obvious that the Cabal is run by people who fall under many different categories, politically and otherwise. They are everywhere, in government and media, education systems, law enforcement...no political ideology or party is solely responsible for our current dilemma. It's going to be a very sobering revelation for everyone. But in the end, it'll unite us.

originally posted by: thegeneraldisarray
a reply to: tigertatzen

Nice new pic Tatzen! Carry on.

Ugh sorry just woke up in the back of the class here

Jon Stewart classic "20$ bill Red Team Go"

a reply to: tigertatzen

It won't be long before we'll see for ourselves who these people are. I must say it does make me smile at the thought of how people are going to react when it becomes painfully obvious that the Cabal is run by people who fall under many different categories, politically and otherwise. They are everywhere, in government and media, education systems, law enforcement...no political ideology or party is solely responsible for our current dilemma. It's going to be a very sobering revelation for everyone. But in the end, it'll unite us.

I like the angle that many try to use against the " Love of money"
concept. It just seems to ring the truth even louder. We share an
experience.

a reply to: iWontGiveUP

Ugh sorry just woke up in the back of the class here

Move your desk next to mine for the rest of the class.

originally posted by: tigertatzen

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire

originally posted by: AnonSapien
Who/What CONTROLS the monetary system might be a good place to find the answer. Perhaps you'll find out it's the same person(s) behind every other system that targets our perception/reality.

Good place to start Anon. Yes, who does control it. Many here will easily say that it is controlled by those who can be labeled socialist. But that makes no real sense to me. Rather it would seem that those in control of this monetary system are in one form or another those who can be labeled capitalists.

It won't be long before we'll see for ourselves who these people are. I must say it does make me smile at the thought of how people are going to react when it becomes painfully obvious that the Cabal is run by people who fall under many different categories, politically and otherwise. They are everywhere, in government and media, education systems, law enforcement...no political ideology or party is solely responsible for our current dilemma. It's going to be a very sobering revelation for everyone. But in the end, it'll unite us.

And to add to what you point out, for each of those who have risen to prominence within this economic system and see to it's continuance, there are hundreds, nay thousands more eager, to take their place should they fall.

Again it is consciousness being controlled by our system of exchange. It filters into all the categories you describe above. And that sobering revelation will not come easily. All at the tops of these pyramids will fight against that revelation and all those way down below on those pyramids who dream of the day they can rise higher in them will carry their masters battle axes for them.

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

Again it is consciousness being controlled by our system of exchange. It filters into all the categories you describe above. And that sobering revelation will not come easily. All at the tops of these pyramids will fight against that revelation and all those way down below on those pyramids who dream of the day they can rise higher in them will carry their masters battle axes for them.

Is not money the vehicle that grinds us in a " Perpetual motion "
towards the last battle on earth?



I know I know, to much grandstanding.

originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: iWontGiveUP

Ugh sorry just woke up in the back of the class here

Move your desk next to mine for the rest of the class.

Shoulda went AF

That's what dreams are made of

Mr Crowley
Is that you?

There goes my hero!

Watch him

Get out to nature

Get back to being human

Get back to where you wanna be

Society...ehhh
Alexander Supertramp lived more than most

To each their own; can I go back to sleep, TEACH?

I'd rather be a slave to money, and being able to use it for things I want and need than deal with the alternative which I assume is bartering?

Seems many here like to say that money is evil but can never really offer a viable alternative... so much so that they continue using money as well..

How do you barter potatos for brain surgery?

Ask black 47

And Arthur Griffith

originally posted by: Chadwickus
I'd rather be a slave to money, and being able to use it for things I want and need than deal with the alternative which I assume is bartering?

Seems many here like to say that money is evil but can never really offer a viable alternative... so much so that they continue using money as well..

How do you barter potatos for brain surgery?

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