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originally posted by: sled735
I've been watching a series about vaccines titled Vaccines Revealed.
If you really want to learn the truth about vaccines, there are doctors, scientists, biologists, parents, and whistle blowers telling their story in this 9-part series.
You will see how the studies shown to doctors are not correct; people who tried to warn the public were 'silenced', and how family after family has been ruined from some of the vaccines 'they' force on children.
And, don't you find it odd that the studies done by the FDA on the vaccines were all working for the pharmaceutical companies?
There is also a really good show about the flu vaccine.
It was free to watch all 9 shows, but tonight is the last one, I think. You can click on the link at the top and see if you can still watch it. At least, maybe you can see tonight's show.
I RECOMMEND EVERYONE SHOULD WATCH THIS.
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: rickymouse
originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: Jefferton
Because vaccines really only work when a critical mass of the population are taking them if only 5% of the population for example were to be vaccinated then the load on public services for example would be strenuous and that 5% would mostly be taking the load. Also some people who might want to be vaccinated cannot because of allergies for instance and then when you have some who have not been vaccinated those people then become at risk. The idea is called "herd immunity" its a big part of vaccination programs
Also not vaccinating a child in my view could amount to neglect or abuse. If I saw you hitting your child in public I would probably intervene, wilfully leaving your kid open to getting various nasty viruses is pretty much the same.
I also abhorrer wilful ignorance and people who deny simple facts like the earth is round, the sun is bright, a orange is orange and vaccines protect people.
I hope you do not really believe that crap. If a vaccine protects you against a disease, it protects you. The fact is they do not protect people like people think. Some of the vaccines years ago worked well, if you got the vaccine, it was extremely rare that you would ever get the disease.
Flu vaccines are not like that, if you are vaccinated, you still get the disease, you supposedly fight it quicker but the thing is that the vaccine can mutate quickly in ones body, as soon as it attaches to a cell there is a mutation. Your vaccination may not fight the mutation that is created. The Flu vaccine is a poor vaccine. It will never work to lower flu in the world. I read some pretty indepth information on why these vaccines for flu do not work. I do not think the Pharma companies are making excuses either, I think what I am talking about may be the truth. These vaccines actually mutate quickly, they also have gene expression abilities to alter their makeup. The antigen based resistance does not work well with flu vaccines.
Vaccinations are not 100% effective, but their effectiveness rises as the disease vector is reduced.
The vaccine does not kill the disease, it only tells our immune systems what to look for.
If we get a disease after being immunised, it is the fault of our immune system being inadequate to fight the pathogen.
Vaccinations are more effective at reducing disease, than nothing.
originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: rickymouse
Do you guys take lessons in posting BS or is it just a natural born skill I am not blessed with?
I mean let's take this little nugget of "wisdom"
The Flu vaccine is a poor vaccine
You say it like it's a absolute fact, when really it's just nonsense and dangerous nonsense at that. According to the American journal of public health
An overall and substantial decline in influenza-classed mortality was observed during the 20th century, from an average seasonal rate of 10.2 deaths per 100 000 population in the 1940s to 0.56 per 100 000 by the 1990s. The 1918–1919 pandemic stands out as an exceptional outlier.
Conclusion; the flu vaccine is a pretty epic vaccine in terms of reducing mortality
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: rickymouse
You can only make a vaccine so effective before you start getting into the question of making it toxic or infectious to the organism.
Most vaccines are going to have a very high rate of effectiveness 80%+ but none are going to ever be 100% for this reason. 100% is going to be as bad as catching to disease, maybe worse. Making a vaccine is the balancing act between increasing effectiveness and keeping it safe where only those who are allergic or those who are going to react badly (you cannot make a medication that will not have this population) are the ones who need to worry.
The problem I think we have is that it has been so long since deadly disease has run rampant through most modern populations that we forget what that is like. So it is easier to point at the few victims of vaccines because you never see the ones vaccines have saved. It's like attempting to prove/disprove a negative.
You can find those who reacted badly to the vaccine, but I cannot find those ones alive thanks to the polio vaccine. So my argument is and remains always a hypothetical that people must take on faith until public trust in vaccines erodes so badly that we see an outbreak of polio again and remember why we all got those shots in the first place.
originally posted by: Jefferton
Why do people with kids that are vaccinated, worry and have such a strong oppinion about parents that don't vaccinate?
If vaccinations work, and your loved ones are indeed vaccinated, why the stress and anger?
Am I missing something?
Really curious.
originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: Jefferton
Also some people who might want to be vaccinated cannot because of allergies for instance and then when you have some who have not been vaccinated those people then become at risk. The idea is called "herd immunity" its a big part of vaccination programs
originally posted by: Azureblue
originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: Jefferton
Also some people who might want to be vaccinated cannot because of allergies for instance and then when you have some who have not been vaccinated those people then become at risk. The idea is called "herd immunity" its a big part of vaccination programs
So lets get this straight.... Vaccines are effective but they are not effective in a crowd? Come on mate, they cant be both.
I had all the required ones when I was a kid, maybe six total. I won't get the DTAP again but will consider the DT because the last one made me so muccusy in my lungs it almost sent me to the doctor. According to the information at a medical site, it is probably the Pertusus since I had Tetnus shots before and never got those symptoms. The Tetnus alone would be safer. If you have ever had Pertusus, then you have immunity and that gives symptoms as I got from the shot.
originally posted by: SmilingROB
a reply to: rickymouse
Ricky do you have your shots?
How did the unvaccinated child contract measles and respectively pass it on to the child who couldn't receive the vaccine in a class full of vaccinated children?
originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
originally posted by: Azureblue
originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: Jefferton
Also some people who might want to be vaccinated cannot because of allergies for instance and then when you have some who have not been vaccinated those people then become at risk. The idea is called "herd immunity" its a big part of vaccination programs
So lets get this straight.... Vaccines are effective but they are not effective in a crowd? Come on mate, they cant be both.
I think you may be misunderstanding my point.
Lets say you dont vaccinate your kid because you think the measles jab is wrong somehow. Fair enough that's up to you, but now lets say there is another kid in your kids class who is allergic to the vaccine and was unable to get it. That other kid relays on all other kids having the jab to ensure his or her own immunity. So now lets say your kid gets measles because you were reckless enough to not have him vaccinated then this other kid who is allergic to the vaccine also gets it. So now not only is your own kid sick but his class mate is all sick all because you failed to accept the importance of vaccination programs.
originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
originally posted by: Azureblue
originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: Jefferton
Also some people who might want to be vaccinated cannot because of allergies for instance and then when you have some who have not been vaccinated those people then become at risk. The idea is called "herd immunity" its a big part of vaccination programs
So lets get this straight.... Vaccines are effective but they are not effective in a crowd? Come on mate, they cant be both.
I think you may be misunderstanding my point.
So now lets say your kid gets measles because you were reckless enough to not have him vaccinated .