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originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: Jefferton
Because vaccines really only work when a critical mass of the population are taking them if only 5% of the population for example were to be vaccinated then the load on public services for example would be strenuous and that 5% would mostly be taking the load. Also some people who might want to be vaccinated cannot because of allergies for instance and then when you have some who have not been vaccinated those people then become at risk. The idea is called "herd immunity" its a big part of vaccination programs
Also not vaccinating a child in my view could amount to neglect or abuse. If I saw you hitting your child in public I would probably intervene, wilfully leaving your kid open to getting various nasty viruses is pretty much the same.
I also abhorrer wilful ignorance and people who deny simple facts like the earth is round, the sun is bright, a orange is orange and vaccines protect people.
originally posted by: tigertatzen
a reply to: Jefferton
Because there is an underlying reason why they want people to submit to vaccines so badly. All kinds of interesting things can be put inside vaccines. The information is out there. All you have to do is jump down the rabbit hole. But take a light. It's dark down there.
originally posted by: rickymouse
originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: Jefferton
Because vaccines really only work when a critical mass of the population are taking them if only 5% of the population for example were to be vaccinated then the load on public services for example would be strenuous and that 5% would mostly be taking the load. Also some people who might want to be vaccinated cannot because of allergies for instance and then when you have some who have not been vaccinated those people then become at risk. The idea is called "herd immunity" its a big part of vaccination programs
Also not vaccinating a child in my view could amount to neglect or abuse. If I saw you hitting your child in public I would probably intervene, wilfully leaving your kid open to getting various nasty viruses is pretty much the same.
I also abhorrer wilful ignorance and people who deny simple facts like the earth is round, the sun is bright, a orange is orange and vaccines protect people.
I hope you do not really believe that crap. If a vaccine protects you against a disease, it protects you. The fact is they do not protect people like people think. Some of the vaccines years ago worked well, if you got the vaccine, it was extremely rare that you would ever get the disease.
Flu vaccines are not like that, if you are vaccinated, you still get the disease, you supposedly fight it quicker but the thing is that the vaccine can mutate quickly in ones body, as soon as it attaches to a cell there is a mutation. Your vaccination may not fight the mutation that is created. The Flu vaccine is a poor vaccine. It will never work to lower flu in the world. I read some pretty indepth information on why these vaccines for flu do not work. I do not think the Pharma companies are making excuses either, I think what I am talking about may be the truth. These vaccines actually mutate quickly, they also have gene expression abilities to alter their makeup. The antigen based resistance does not work well with flu vaccines.
The Flu vaccine is a poor vaccine
An overall and substantial decline in influenza-classed mortality was observed during the 20th century, from an average seasonal rate of 10.2 deaths per 100 000 population in the 1940s to 0.56 per 100 000 by the 1990s. The 1918–1919 pandemic stands out as an exceptional outlier.
originally posted by: nightbringr
a reply to: Jefferton
Newborn children are not vaccinated until at least a month has gone by, and are therefore prone to infection from those who are not vaccinated.
It is the height of selfishness to not vaccinate yourself. If you don't care about yourself, at least care for those too young to protect themselves from you.
originally posted by: Jefferton
It just sounds like so many people with really strong opinions, based on very little actual knowledge.
Wrong?
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: ketsuko
I should add the the reason why you are never going to get as vaccine that is 100% is that what a vaccine does is provoke an immune response from the body.
The stronger the immune response provoked, the more likely you are to create real medical issues.
If you study the Spanish Flu epidemic, you will learn that the Flu itself didn't actually kill most victims. Their own immune systems did. The flu took the young with strong, healthy immune systems because it was a novel strain of the virus that unprepared immune systems had not seen before. As a result, those immune systems went overboard in their response and ended up killing the bodies they were trying to protect.
This is what they have to be careful with trying to prevent when making a vaccine. They cannot trigger an immune response so strong that it will kill a healthy immune system, but they have to make it strong enough to protect weaker ones too. As I said, a balancing act.