Why we should all vote for Jeremy Corybn

a reply to: UKTruth

Prior to the election I had absolutely nothing but contempt for Corbyn.

But to be fair he's tried to fight a campaign concentrating on actual issues, a rarity recently.
Many of Labour's policies have real substance and strike a chord with many traditional Labour voters.

But we still can't get away from his history with the IRA, unilateral disarmament and open door immigration.

Still, I've gained a grudging respect for him and his efforts to remain focused on real issues and the content of the relative manifesto's can only be applauded.

a reply to: bastion

Lol, that video IS funny.

These politicians are so ludicrously out of touch.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Theres a chance, depending on how badly this DUP business goes, that we may get another chance to elect Corbyn, and I for one will be taking it, if it comes.

...and he'd lose again. This country is not going to elect a communist.

He's a socialist not a communist, a welcome return to the true Labour party.

Plus a bit hypocritical when the Tories want to form a coalition with Unionists while the Tory MP Maria Gatland is a member of PIRA and IRA who was one of the most wanted terrorists in the world and publicly stated "I agree with the shooting of British soldiers and the more that are killed the better.

She was caught arming he IRA when armed with a .38 automatic weapon and carrying £20,000 in cash, she was being pursued by security forces from several countries over her role in a huge arms deal.

More than 160 crates containing bazookas, rocket launchers and hand-grenades had been seized at an airport in Amsterdam, and a warrant had been issued for her arrest. And she's written a book on her years in the IRA.

Here's a few of her quotes supporting the IRA

*Maria McGuire on her affair with Provisional IRA ruling council member David O'Connell, which started in Amsterdam... "It just happened, and seemed perfectly natural, even though our situation was very unnatural. We were under considerable stress together, and became very close, depended on one another, because of that. Possibly it meant more to Dave than it did to me; but when we managed not to worry about the outcome of our mission and our own chances of escaping, we were very happy."

*Maria McGuire on meeting the Provisional IRA chief of staff, Sean MacStiofain... "He seemed short and squat, and lacked Dave's physical presence: only later did I realise he was in fact over six feet tall. He appeared a little taken aback by me too; I knew he had heard about me, but possibly he wasn't expecting someone wearing hot pants to be interested in the Provisional IRA."

*Maria McGuire on the IRA's bombing campaign in Northern Ireland.... "The intention behind the bombing campaign was to cause confusion and terror. In 1971 bomb explosions averaged three a day throughout the six counties, and it was very easy to create confusion in the centre of Belfast .... Sometimes the Belfast Provisionals would give a succession of false alarms, and then just as the city was enjoying the lull, plant half a dozen bombs on the same day. We believed that the bombing campaign had a greater psychological effect in this way. By causing such terror we demonstrated that whatever steps the army took, the Provisionals could continue the military campaign; half a million people in Belfast would be kept wondering where the Provisionals would strike next, and would be forced to tell the British to make peace with us."

*Maria McGuire on killing British soldiers.... "I agreed with the shooting of British soldiers and believed that the more who were killed the better. I remember occasions where we heard late at night that a British soldier had been shot and seriously wounded in Belfast or Derry - and we would hope that by the morning he would be dead." *Maria McGuire on killing civilians... "I accepted too the bombing of Belfast, and when civilians were accidentally blown to pieces dismissed this as one of the unfortunate hazards of urban guerrilla war." *Maria McGuire on being banned from entering Switzerland... "I happened to hear a television news item that two Irish citizens had been excluded from Switzerland - Dave O'Connell and myself. We had done nothing illegal in Switzerland that I could recall... Then the Swiss Embassy in Dublin telephoned Dave and asked us to call at the embassy to collect our exclusion orders. We naturally refused."

*Maria McGuire on becoming disillusioned in the face of escalating violence.... "I could not avoid the conclusion that the probability of civilian casualties had been accepted, and perhaps even planned. Whenever such casualties had occurred before, there had always been the pressure of events to take my mind off them. But now, almost for the first time, I wondered about the crippled and the widowed and the lives that had been changed forever."

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Yet for some reason people have no problem with a Tory MP being a convicted gun runner, terrorist, PIRA head who called for UK civillians and soldiers to be killed and Corbyn is called an IRA sympathiser despite his repeated denouncements of them, based on a misquote when at the same time the Tory Party were holding secret negotiations with PIRA.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: Soloprotocol

They are having big problems at present in the Northern Irish Assembly at Stormont where they have been unable to form an executive for some time now.

Any coalition / alliance or whatever between the DUP and The Tories will only serve to complicate things further.

Sinn Fein are pushing for a referendum on continued membership of the UK and believe its only a matter of time before they have one. I suspect that any cozying up between the DUP and The Tories would be perceived as a hindrance to that.

So....

a reply to: UKTruth

Interesting you should say that.

Corbyn had a greater share of the vote than did Blair in 05.

This is the best Labour performance in a long, long time.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: UKTruth

Interesting you should say that.

Corbyn had a greater share of the vote than did Blair in 05.

This is the best Labour performance in a long, long time.

Yeah and the Tory's had a bigger share of the vote too. Cameron only got 36.1% of the vote in 2010. In fact May's vote percentage was the highest for he Conservatives since 1979.



Corbyn got less than Labour did in 1997 and 2001, so depends what you mean by a 'long long time'.

It's pretty obvious what happened here - it was a last ditch effort by remainers to try and stop Brexit that was not offset by UKIP voters who split evenly because they don't trust May. It had nothing to do with Corbyn.

a reply to: Soloprotocol

Everything possible must be done to ensure that the relative peace is maintained in Northern Ireland.

I question both the sense and the morals of any coalition with the DUP.
Corbyn was vehemently criticised for his links to the IRA, quite rightly so in my book, yet The Tories see nothing wrong with working with the DUP which has known links to both the UDA and UVF and no doubt will have ex-members of those paramilitary within their ranks - hypocrisy of the highest order.

Parties regularly get labelled as 'extremist' in the UK - but there's no mention of 'extremism' when The Tories decide to enter into a political partnership with a party that is anti-abortion, against same sex marriage, deny climate change etc.

I don't think we'll see a resurgence of IRA terrorism.....just yet.
But I think if this coalition goes ahead, which seems increasingly likely, then it'll certain threaten any chance of reconciliation in Stormont and some Republicans / Nationalists will feel both threatened and intimidated.

It'll be interesting to see what happens when Scottish Tory leader Ruth Davidson meets Arlene Foster leader of DUP considering the DUP stance on things and that Ruth Davidson is a lesbian who is due tp marry her Irish Catholic partner soon.

a reply to: Freeborn

It really is difficult to see how the more centrist socially liberal wing of the conservative party can possibly go along with any form of agreement with the DUP.

a reply to: UKTruth

It's pretty obvious what happened here - it was a last ditch effort by remainers to try and stop Brexit that was not offset by UKIP voters who split evenly because they don't trust May. It had nothing to do with Corbyn.

I don't think so, whatever the arguments are, people are waking up to the fact the Establishment's party, Conservative and Unionist Party, are literally taking the piss with their austerity plans, whilst the Billionaires, earn more Billions.

There is momentum in this movement and although it is deemed as a leftist agenda, it's nowhere near as left as people think. As it wasn't so long ago, many of the proposals were part of the fabric of British society.

Still, read enough right wing papers and you start to believe the rich are right.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: Soloprotocol

Everything possible must be done to ensure that the relative peace is maintained in Northern Ireland.

I question both the sense and the morals of any coalition with the DUP.
Corbyn was vehemently criticised for his links to the IRA, quite rightly so in my book, yet The Tories see nothing wrong with working with the DUP which has known links to both the UDA and UVF and no doubt will have ex-members of those paramilitary within their ranks - hypocrisy of the highest order.

Parties regularly get labelled as 'extremist' in the UK - but there's no mention of 'extremism' when The Tories decide to enter into a political partnership with a party that is anti-abortion, against same sex marriage, deny climate change etc.

I don't think we'll see a resurgence of IRA terrorism.....just yet.
But I think if this coalition goes ahead, which seems increasingly likely, then it'll certain threaten any chance of reconciliation in Stormont and some Republicans / Nationalists will feel both threatened and intimidated.

It'll be interesting to see what happens when Scottish Tory leader Ruth Davidson meets Arlene Foster leader of DUP considering the DUP stance on things and that Ruth Davidson is a lesbian who is due tp marry her Irish Catholic partner soon.

I think it is just too ironic for words if the Conservative and Unionist Party decide to agree to any DUP demands. It's okay people, they're the good type of terrorists.

Ruth Davidson could be our next P.M.

Or Boris. Yikes!!

a reply it: Cobaltic1978

Ruth Davidson is an impressive operator.

Not sure if the tory membership is ready for an openly gay leader.

I think it would be a hell of a good move though.

I voted for the Labour candidate but it was a wasted vote where I live, still they doubled their vote share here compared to the last election because other people thought the same as me, maybe another decade and I won't have a Tory sycophant representing me in the Houses of Parliament. Nobody voted for a Conservative government supported by Democratic Unionists. I see a house of cards and a wind blowing soon.

a reply to: UKTruth

It is absolutely not an effort to derail or prevent a British Exit from the EU, and what is more, Micheal Fallon, the current Defence Secretary has stated on national television, that he is pleased that the Labour Party are taking the wishes of the people into account and talking sensibly about actually getting that exit organised, although he wishes the entire operation to be handled by the Tories, despite their obvious inadequacies.

originally posted by: SprocketUK
a reply it: Cobaltic1978

Ruth Davidson is an impressive operator.

Not sure if the tory membership is ready for an openly gay leader.

I think it would be a hell of a good move though.

If she is honest, understands the detail and that she works for the people then why not...I am not sure people care so much about sexuality any more. I do want the next PM to understand the specifics and the detail though - fed up with 'leaders' that rise based on political skill alone. Having listened to her during Brexit, though, I think she is a moron.

So another 4 years of pay freeze for me again yaaaay

Corbyn will likely become PM. At this point he only has to wait it out and let the mess get worse on its own. May has pretty much sunk the party overnight, their only real option is a leadership coup.

Just to say that 40,086 people voted for Jeremy. His majority in traditionally Labour-voting Islington North constituency was 33,215.

Labour got 12,878,460 votes in all, compared to the 13,669,883 achieved by the Conservatives.

While Jeremy surprised some people by their performance, they still lost.

a reply to: UKTruth

...I am not sure people care so much about sexuality any more.

I'm not too sure about that, I think Arlene Foster cares very much about it.

It'll be very interesting when she meets Ruth Davidson and her soon to be Irish Catholic wife.