Question for 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1


Let’s start simple again.

One. State where NIST ever had its own forensic crime team. The WTC investigation started on site by local law enforcement, Local Fire Departments, engineers and specialists, and the FBI. Are you saying The New York Fire Department / New York City does not investigate building collapse.

Two, you said the pile was not a crime scene. A falsehood by you.

Three. I have provided links to material and cited items that clearly state the pile was invested and all steel and rubble was taken to the lay down yards for shipment.

You probe the material and works I cited did not have that information or are false.

Shame on you for false arguments and repeating truth movement lies.

Shame on you for repeating government lies and false arguments.

If you can prove that ANYONE studied all the WTC steel, then it's time you DID prove it....

I've shown you that 50,000 tons of WTC steel was shipped to China by Jan. 2002. I've show you that NIST didn't even begin to investigate the collapses months after that.

So prove that anyone studied the 50,000 tons of WTC steel before it was shipped to China....


Show me FEMA, or anyone else, studied that steel. Cite the documents to support that.


If not, then it's time to stop blabbing such bs lies....

a reply to: turbonium1

Did you even read this? It’s not even by individuals that are part of the government. So you claiming something about government lies is a false hood.

www.implosionworld.com...

It explicitly states how the WTC large steel support members were handled. The steel was staged off site, and the steel was investigated by a series forensic investigators.

You just got caught with a false argument and pushing truth movement lies.


Again....

One. State where NIST ever had its own forensic crime team. The WTC investigation started on site by local law enforcement, Local Fire Departments, engineers and specialists, and the FBI. Are you saying The New York Fire Department / New York City does not investigate building collapse.

Two, you said the pile was not a crime scene. A falsehood by you.

Three. I have provided links to material and cited items that clearly state the pile was invested and all steel and rubble was taken to the lay down yards before shipment. Please quote from those work which you think are lies.

You prove the material and works I cited by civilians are false. Actually do some research for a change instead of posting posts full of truth movement lies and propaganda.

Shame on you for false arguments and repeating truth movement lies. Enabling the likes of AE 9/11 Truth to exploit 9/11.

a reply to: turbonium1

True or false, the WTC steel was investigated by a series of experts and a series of forensic investigators?

True or false, the Fresh Kills WTC staging area was set up and did run all the rubble from the pile through conveyors for hand searching of human remains, personal items, and evidence.

Why would the truth movement create lies around items so easily called out and proven wrong.

The propaganda by the truth movement in that the WTC tower steel was sent overseas with zero examination is a big fat lie. It was examined, identified by the markings used during the construction of the twin towers, sampled, documented, and then released.

How is that different from any other crime scene.

So you side with people that blatantly lie, and then have the nerve to insult individuals that call you out on it? Individuals that have actually researched and tried to understand the weight of the NIST conclusions vs the truth movement theories? Truth movement theories based on misinformation and fraudulent peer review papers?

50,000 tons of WTC steel was shipped to China.

Prove it was actually documented anywhere, by anyone, by any group, as 50,000 tons of worthless scrap......

In studying the collapse of a structure, which first failed at certain floors, then investigating all the materials which were part of the floors would be considered significant evidence.

Since this area was where it first failed, we can point out what caused the failure, in fact...


If they collected all the steel from all those floors, where it first failed, they'd know it did NOT fail, and did NOT cause anything to collapse....


Are you aware of what they specifically were told to search for, and collect, among all the steel?

Sure.

They were told to collect steel from the impact/fire areas, because those were the areas it first failed...

They'd want to collect all the steel from those areas, of course!

Not so...

They only wanted steel if it was exposed to fire/impact damage. Not steel that hadn't been exposed.

If they collected that steel, it would prove that it wasn't caused by fire/impact damage.

So they didn't collect that steel, and move along, folks!

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

True or false, the WTC steel was investigated by a series of experts and a series of forensic investigators?

True or false, the Fresh Kills WTC staging area was set up and did run all the rubble from the pile through conveyors for hand searching of human remains, personal items, and evidence.

Why would the truth movement create lies around items so easily called out and proven wrong.

The propaganda by the truth movement in that the WTC tower steel was sent overseas with zero examination is a big fat lie. It was examined, identified by the markings used during the construction of the twin towers, sampled, documented, and then released.

How is that different from any other crime scene.

So you side with people that blatantly lie, and then have the nerve to insult individuals that call you out on it? Individuals that have actually researched and tried to understand the weight of the NIST conclusions vs the truth movement theories? Truth movement theories based on misinformation and fraudulent peer review papers?

No proof of any sort, of course.

When did NIST first start to collect steel samples from the debris?

Months after the 60,000 tons of steel were shipped to China, right?

Who examined this steel, before it was shipped off?

Show me documents to prove your claim, or it's all bs.

Why were they hoping to prove with their steel tests?

That the steel weakened and failed to the point of collapse, from the fires. Of course.

And it showed no fires weakened steel to that point...not even close.


That's a fact.


A model used imaginary steel, which fails on command.

That's why they didn't want all the steel...it allows for their magical steel!!

a reply to: turbonium1

You said the steel was not inspected at all before being shipped to China. This piece proves you wrong. You are the one that set a ridiculous low bar to debunk.

www.implosionworld.com...

Get over being proven wrong.

Again, forensic investigators did examine the steel, who do you think NIST woul reasch out to and contract with. Forensic investigators!

You do get that NIST stands for National Standards and Technology? They would have and did contract with the exact people that started the investigation at the WTC day one it was treated as a crime scene.

Again, steel columns of interest were saved. Identify by there construction marks. Documented. Then sampled.

You prove everything was shipped to China. Which we know it was not all shipped to China. How much WTC steel sat in warehouses for years and given out as relics. Funny behavior by a government trying to hide evidence by shipping everything to China?

You said the WTC was not tested as a crime scene, another falsehood.

All your arguments are based on falsehoods and hiding the truth. Shame on you for intellectual dishonesty arguments.

Why does the truth movement lie and hide facts.

a reply to: turbonium1

Here is what examination and samples of the steel showed.

Just two small papers posted already for you, and ignored by you. Note: metallurgical analysts of the metal grain would have shown if the steel was worked on by explosives. There was no indication the steel was worked on by explosives.

Failure of Welded Floor Truss Connections from the Exterior Wall during Collapse of the World Trade Center Towers
app.aws.org...

Mechanical and Metallurgical Analysis of Structural Steel. Federal Building and Fire Safety Investigation of the World Trade Center Disaster (NIST NCSTAR 1-3
www.nist.gov...

You are the one that said the steel was not inspected before going to China.

The documents and accounts I have provided proves that your ridiculous stance was easily debunked.

The WTC steel stores in warehouses for years then give out as relics shows WTC steel was saved and freely accessible by investigators.

a reply to: turbonium1

By the way, huge difference NIST became lead investigator vs not investigating....

www.nist.gov...

Abstract
In March 2002 NIST became the lead agency in an investigation of the World Trade Center collapse....

You caught in another intellectually dishonest argument!

Is that all you have is truth movement lies, hiding of facts, and intellectually dishonest arguments?

Sad and shameful.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

You said the steel was not inspected at all before being shipped to China. This piece proves you wrong. You are the one that set a ridiculous low bar to debunk.

www.implosionworld.com...

Get over being proven wrong.

Again, forensic investigators did examine the steel, who do you think NIST woul reasch out to and contract with. Forensic investigators!

You do get that NIST stands for National Standards and Technology? They would have and did contract with the exact people that started the investigation at the WTC day one it was treated as a crime scene.

Again, steel columns of interest were saved. Identify by there construction marks. Documented. Then sampled.

You prove everything was shipped to China. Which we know it was not all shipped to China. How much WTC steel sat in warehouses for years and given out as relics. Funny behavior by a government trying to hide evidence by shipping everything to China?

You said the WTC was not tested as a crime scene, another falsehood.

All your arguments are based on falsehoods and hiding the truth. Shame on you for intellectual dishonesty arguments.

Why does the truth movement lie and hide facts.

They hired demolition crews to rip apart the WTC steel debris into smaller pieces. They weren't investigating anything.

Why would a demo group suggest they were studying the steel for evidence of explosives later on, in countless images they took? Nobody knows that from only images. As if they could even sift through all of the steel, anyway.

The demo companies would always be impartial on whether or not a demolition happened. So they gave all their images to those companies, being so impartial and all!

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

Here is what examination and samples of the steel showed.

Just two small papers posted already for you, and ignored by you. Note: metallurgical analysts of the metal grain would have shown if the steel was worked on by explosives. There was no indication the steel was worked on by explosives.

Failure of Welded Floor Truss Connections from the Exterior Wall during Collapse of the World Trade Center Towers
app.aws.org...

Mechanical and Metallurgical Analysis of Structural Steel. Federal Building and Fire Safety Investigation of the World Trade Center Disaster (NIST NCSTAR 1-3
www.nist.gov...

You are the one that said the steel was not inspected before going to China.

The documents and accounts I have provided proves that your ridiculous stance was easily debunked.

The WTC steel stores in warehouses for years then give out as relics shows WTC steel was saved and freely accessible by investigators.

Here's all the steel from the impact area...

That will show what failed, and how it failed....


Why use that steel, anyhow?

All the steel from this area is on-hand.

Each piece of steel is assessed, throughout

And we would then know the truth, at once.


As if that's ever happening!

a reply to: turbonium1

They investigated the steel on site. The cite was tread as a crime scene. They had to remove the pile to:

One, the first few day there still might be survives.

Two, to get to buried human remains and evidence.

Three, they did not know if the slurry wall would give.

Three, a big pile of human remains and toxic smoldering chemicals was a real threat to health.

Again, the steel was examined on site. There was real efforts to recover human remains, personal effects, and evidence on site.

The steel had to be cut into smaller representative samples. There was only so much room at the pile, trucks can only haul soo much, streets are only so wide and can only handle soo much weight.

a reply to: turbonium1

Can you refute or debunk anything in this account by individuals?


www.implosionworld.com...

A paper of accounts and arguments how the WTC steel was handled, and why there is NO evidence of WTC CD.

a reply to: turbonium1

This is not a cop out. This is a simple truth.

If you are only going to rant, use debunked truth movement lies, use intellectual dishonest arguments, hide / run away away from facts, run away / hide from answering questions directed at you, debate with you is pointless

You have been prove not credible, and erroneous.

You are not worry of my time if you cannot debate in good faith.

Good look enabling the lies and con artists of the truth movement.

a reply to: turbonium1

Like to state how the vertical outer steel columns were not the main load bearing supports for the outer portion of the floor trueness. Floor tresses only supported at two points. By core columns and outer columns.

Enough evidence to show you will argue falsely, dishonestly, and you are a waste of time.

Peter Jennings of ABC said that it appeared the towers had been taken down in a controlled demolition.
He never said that again.
I saw Building 7 go down Since that moment, there has been no way back.

We all know what we saw, but we don’t know officially what happened.....

This is not off of a 911 conspiracy sight

I just randomly searched ..... controlled demolition.
Looks like what I saw on 911.
Don't have to beleave me.
We all know what we saw, but we don’t know officially what happened.....

a reply to: madenusa

Then debunk and refute something like this account by civil professionals in the demolitions field.

www.implosionworld.com...

All you have is innuendo and a statement by the media. I knotice conspiracists claim how untrustworthy the media is?

Please cite any evidence charges powerful enough was ever set off that would cut steel? Audible evidence? Shrapnel/ windows blowing out? Pressure wave?


There is a reason Architects and Engineers 9/11 Truth was forced to fabricate the mythical fizzle no flash bombs narrative?