Jean-Claude Juncker Is Loosing The Plot.

If it's any consolation, Juncker was compelled to explain what he was going to do in English. Besides, French is a language that is secondary to Spanish and German, so he's speaking a language that won't survive globalisation. Also to note, he got a good applause from his audience. In an EU run by Germany, France will soon find themselves a cultural irrelevance, or as they say in French... Merde, je pensais que ma France bien-aimée avait un avenir d'influence dans une Union européenne dominée par les Allemands.

This is just crass politics from a man who represents the reason why Brexit happened. Grey suited, unelected, group-think, insulting, undemocratic.

a reply to: doobydoll

Do the other member nations really want to be a part of a union with a leader none of us can vote for or against, and that will blackmail and threaten and if necessary, destroy a country, rather than let it walk out the door? I don't understand it, do the other nations approve of treating a fellow member this way?

The way things work in europe is that there are two main umbrella parties/groups - the EPP and the PES . European People's Party , and Party of European Socialists .

The EPP is the party in power , holding large majority in the European Council (decision makers) and the European Parliament (the ratifiers) . EPP also holds the presidency (Junker) .
Now the EPP and PES are umbrella groups , they are made up of individual nations' political parties . For example the Gerrman CDU (Christian Democratic Union) are one of the most important , and every elected party ineach nation is a member of one or the other , mostly EPP (the right wing) .
The UK Conservative Party used to be an EPP member , but because the EPP was dominating it , making it do as the EPP instructed it , the ConservativeParty under CAMERON decided to leave the EPP , in 2009 .
At that point the EPP held no sway over British conservative politicians .
However , those other countries you're wondering about don't dare to leave the EPP . What people who vote for national parties in European countries don't often realise , is that by voting for a party which is still a part of the EPP , they are voting for EPP control not only across Europe , but within their own country too . They vote , without realising it , for EPP policy ,because they vote for member parties .
The EPP was never elected itself , but formed itself by political unions between the countries individual right wing parties .
Now , at this point , it has become a dominant entity in Europe , THE dominant entity in fact since about 2001 . While it holds control of all European powers , and its leadership are not prone to removal or change by democracy in Europe , then the individual nations political parties have no hope against it , they can't leave it , or they will be ostracised , much as British Conservatives have been since 2009 . Britain has had no say in its policies since before the torys left it anyway - that's the reason Cameron got us out .

While its as clear as mud to most people in Europe still , you should be getting the idea that , this cannot be allowed to carry on . Europe , Brussels , you might as well call it the EPP , because that's who runs it ALL nowadays , they wanted an army of their own , a police force , and crucially , an intelligence bureau . If they'd got that , before we had a chance to vote out , we'd not have been leaving Europe , and we might have been living in a totalitarian one party state run by Germany effectively , by about 2021 .

So to answer your question in context , no they probably dont want to treat us this way , but they don;'t have a say in it from at home , the EPP tells all the 27 others what to do , and dictates what they think or say as MEPs or ECouncil members .
Someone correct me if I'm wrong , and btw its good to see these Brits stick the boot in , lets do it on every thread

EPP link

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: Joneselius

Meanwhile back in The U.K. we are working out how much Europe owes us for helping repatriate it from The Nazi's.

Our bill will follow.

Don't forget the 60+ years of interest!

I just got word from the site owners guys...we can relax...ATS will still use English.

Pigeon also allowed.

originally posted by: alldaylong
Meanwhile back in The U.K. we are working out how much Europe owes us for helping repatriate it from The Nazi's

A small observation... Now Germany runs Europe, so perhaps all that sacrifice was all for naught.

With the UK pulling out, Germany are the unchallengeable force. They now run the agenda. Top Dog. Nummer eins. Führer des ganzen.

I am not likening modern Germany to the Nazis, but one cannot escape the fact that after two world wars, Germany now get what they want through the back door! A single European state controlled by Germany.

just how unpalatable does the exit deal have to be before our government just tells them to stick it and holds a vote in parliament to repeal all acts that bind us to the Eu and revert to WTO terms?

According to Labour and the Lib-unDems, there is no way any deal could be so bad they would walk away...Let that focus your mind on Jun 8.

originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: alldaylong
Meanwhile back in The U.K. we are working out how much Europe owes us for helping repatriate it from The Nazi's

A small observation... Now Germany runs Europe, so perhaps all that sacrifice was all for naught.

With the UK pulling out, Germany are the unchallengeable force. They now run the agenda. Top Dog. Nummer eins. Führer des ganzen.

I am not likening modern Germany to the Nazis, but one cannot escape the fact that after two world wars, Germany now get what they want through the back door! A single European state controlled by Germany.

But they have one problem - buying the loyalty from all the other countries in the EU. Each year, the UK contributes £14 billion in total with some money refunded through various projects. The net difference is around £3.5 billion. The EU can't afford to make up this difference (not even Germany, France, Sweden or Luxembourg), so they are demanding an equivalent amount up front to cover the next few decades, all in order to keep the grand scheme going. Germany has already invited in 1 million immigrants from the Third World. These people need paid housing, food, clothing, education and health care, so money is tight. But UK also import German vehicles, food products, hardware and software. So if the EU doesn't make a deal, they lose. But if they let the UK off lightly, other countries will leave because they aren't getting anything out of the EU, so they lose.

a reply to: stormcell

All this talk about German cars coming to us, the Krauts will just find new export markets for their cars.................. Hey the world loves Mercs Audis Beemers Dubs Porsches etc.............................. The EU can do WITHOUT the UK if it needs to show itself as the party in control here. Maybe it'll do us some good here in Blighty. Being honest and realistic there are far too many square head derived motors on the road here. More Jags and Jap cars made in England please.......... Less Hun mobiles and French crap please. Ok we'll take your Italian stuff (bows to Alfa ) We can do witout the EU stuff if we need to go down that route. The Krauts dtopped making decent cars in the late 80's their modern stuff is no better than anybody elses.

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: Joneselius

Meanwhile back in The U.K. we are working out how much Europe owes us for helping repatriate it from The Nazi's.

Our bill will follow.

We might need to be careful with that - based on how the EU has been perverted into the MerkelReich, they might qualify for a refund.

He did the speech after lunch didnt he?? well that explains a lot, we know he loves to empty bottles of wine like it's water.

a reply to: alldaylong

OP raises a truly valid point:

If UK is liable for 100B Euro program fees - then equally they need to be liable for repatriation of assets and value accrued in the EU system. E.g. currency reserves and gold at European Central Bank, etc etc. // Correction: I just realised UK still runs its own currency - and is not part of Euro system - thus cannot claim share from currency and gold reserves. Well, hey, a lot of paper they should get from Brussels anyhow.

That is a fair and valid, a honestly transparent stand point.

Does it really matter which language someone is using when they're talking out of their backside?

a reply to: deckdel

The EU will cut off their noses to spite their faces. They don't give a toss about the negative impact on both sides, because if they make the UK suffer, then the UK will return the favour. The EU are driven by unelected grey suits who have not experienced a real life outside of their bars, and beds, and offices where everyone is unchallenged and thinks in the same way.

Juncker is a case in point. The unelected President of the European Commission is an ex Prime Minister of a ting tiny LITTLE country (Luxembourg pop 500,000) made rich by tax avoidance.

The EU says it's ready to take over the US as global main power "because international issues can't be solved with sole force".
Cool, that means Juncker, the EU commission and Mogherini can stop funding Syrian jihadis and they can even disband NATO and build a European army (Without the UK) after NATO's dismissal.

Together with Tusk and other EU main characters , Juncker is running since the beginning an underground sex slavery ring in Brussels in the EU parliament cellars ! the EU has moreover turned Brussels into the muslim brotherhoos capital of Europe to better run drugs and prostitutes traffick including minors.