a reply to: doobydoll
Do the other member nations really want to be a part of a union with a leader none of us can vote for or against, and that will blackmail and
threaten and if necessary, destroy a country, rather than let it walk out the door? I don't understand it, do the other nations approve of treating a
fellow member this way?
The way things work in europe is that there are two main umbrella parties/groups - the EPP and the PES . European People's Party , and Party of
European Socialists .
The EPP is the party in power , holding large majority in the European Council (decision makers) and the European Parliament (the ratifiers) . EPP
also holds the presidency (Junker) .
Now the EPP and PES are umbrella groups , they are made up of individual nations' political parties . For example the Gerrman CDU (Christian
Democratic Union) are one of the most important , and every elected party ineach nation is a member of one or the other , mostly EPP (the right wing)
The UK Conservative Party used to be an EPP member , but because the EPP was dominating it , making it do as the EPP instructed it , the
ConservativeParty under CAMERON decided to leave the EPP , in 2009 .
At that point the EPP held no sway over British conservative politicians .
However , those other countries you're wondering about don't dare to leave the EPP . What people who vote for national parties in European countries
don't often realise , is that by voting for a party which is still a part of the EPP , they are voting for EPP control not only across Europe , but
within their own country too . They vote , without realising it , for EPP policy ,because they vote for member parties .
The EPP was never elected itself , but formed itself by political unions between the countries individual right wing parties .
Now , at this point , it has become a dominant entity in Europe , THE dominant entity in fact since about 2001 . While it holds control of all
European powers , and its leadership are not prone to removal or change by democracy in Europe , then the individual nations political parties have no
hope against it , they can't leave it , or they will be ostracised , much as British Conservatives have been since 2009 . Britain has had no say in
its policies since before the torys left it anyway - that's the reason Cameron got us out .
While its as clear as mud to most people in Europe still , you should be getting the idea that , this cannot be allowed to carry on . Europe ,
Brussels , you might as well call it the EPP , because that's who runs it ALL nowadays , they wanted an army of their own , a police force , and
crucially , an intelligence bureau . If they'd got that , before we had a chance to vote out , we'd not have been leaving Europe , and we might have
been living in a totalitarian one party state run by Germany effectively , by about 2021 .
So to answer your question in context , no they probably dont want to treat us this way , but they don;'t have a say in it from at home , the EPP
tells all the 27 others what to do , and dictates what they think or say as MEPs or ECouncil members .
Someone correct me if I'm wrong , and btw its good to see these Brits stick the boot in , lets do it on every thread