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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: JoshuaCox
Would this even be a discussion if Islamic terrorism and oppression were not an everyday occurrence?
Serious question.
Absolutely.. religious extremism isn't new or relegated to Islam specifically..
Every white power group, every faith healer who slowly watches their kid die, every Christian who taught slavery was ordained by God, exc, exc , exc..
It's pretty funny the way everyone else's religion needs to change, except the person saying that..
originally posted by: Raggedyman
It is amazing the folly of people like the op
The bible is a warts and all exposure of people and the actions God takes with people
I know, let's hide that, pretend the world is unicorns, rainbows and fairy floss and we are all being rained on by snowflakes of magic fairy dust
The bible is unique as a historical document, it doesn't record only the victories and only good storys, it records many bad stories and failures of the people and nation as well
It is how I expect non believers to react, " let's make the bible less scarier"
originally posted by: PolyCottonBlend
I don't think you could. most followers of their religions are only followers out of the fear of falling victim to the scary stuff. not to mention, you'd be completely dismantling the idea of faith. there can never be a Christian-lite or happy-happy-Islam.
there must be the bad to appreciate the good.
originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: JoshuaCox
Would this even be a discussion if Islamic terrorism and oppression were not an everyday occurrence?
Serious question.
originally posted by: yuppa
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: JoshuaCox
Would this even be a discussion if Islamic terrorism and oppression were not an everyday occurrence?
Serious question.
Absolutely.. religious extremism isn't new or relegated to Islam specifically..
Every white power group, every faith healer who slowly watches their kid die, every Christian who taught slavery was ordained by God, exc, exc , exc..
It's pretty funny the way everyone else's religion needs to change, except the person saying that..
No we dont. we need people to actually teach what applies to them though.
The Cath church is especially bad about this because they still use OT laws,which are wrong because they are not Of the hebrew people.
Same for Baptist and the rest of christianity. Our preachers/bishops/priest,pointiffs all need to teach the NT doctrine which is hardly violent at all.
See alot of Non christians like to toss up Deut and other things but they do not realize that those do not apply to people under the NT doctrine/covenant.
but what about no part of the law will be put away? None of it has.. its just those OT laws apply to them and not gentiles who are under a new doctrine the NT.
You sure?? I don't think any one ever criticized Christianity befor 911....
originally posted by: 3danimator2014
originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: JoshuaCox
Would this even be a discussion if Islamic terrorism and oppression were not an everyday occurrence?
Serious question.
Yes it would. Christians can't seriously hold the bible in such high regard when it contains such vile passages. I know nothing about the Torah.
"The good book" my ar*e
originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: JoshuaCox
you do realize the bible is Gods attempt to simplify everything so it was easier to understand for people in the past to grasp the complexities of creating a universe right? People arent smart enough to grasp it all.
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: JoshuaCox
you do realize the bible is Gods attempt to simplify everything so it was easier to understand for people in the past to grasp the complexities of creating a universe right? People arent smart enough to grasp it all.
Which is why it got every thing wrong??? I guess?!?! Lol..
It definately blew the historical record part, but it also blew the moral high ground as well...
The Bible didn't predict that slavery was wrong, it validates it.
The Bible didn't predict that violence was wrong , it legitimizes it..
originally posted by: yuppa
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: JoshuaCox
you do realize the bible is Gods attempt to simplify everything so it was easier to understand for people in the past to grasp the complexities of creating a universe right? People arent smart enough to grasp it all.
Which is why it got every thing wrong??? I guess?!?! Lol..
It definately blew the historical record part, but it also blew the moral high ground as well...
The Bible didn't predict that slavery was wrong, it validates it.
The Bible didn't predict that violence was wrong , it legitimizes it..
Context context context. Non christians never ever try to grasp the context. The bible isnt literal 100 percent of the time. Id say hardly ever except on important things really. And SO what about protestants still using the 10 commandments. Those arent violent at all anyway are they?
Anyway Caths and prods and th erest still living by OT are just wrong,and thats a major issue.(unless you are who it was written for)
Oh and the But the council of nicea.... So what again. The scriptures were written down beforehand so they actually didnt rewrite anything. they condensed it into 2 books. the OT and the NT. Maybe they should split the two book sinto two instead these days bu tnot alter the text at all instead. THEN it be easy to tell who is following what.
HEre is a article on SLavery in the NT. From th earticle it does have soem condemnation for it,and th edefinition of th practice does not always mean what you think it means.
slavery in the new testament
Oh and apparently the non violent verses outnumber the VIolent ones in the NT. Its kind of misleading because ANYTHING against another is considered violent apparently. Bu tits far from Condoning violence like you suggest.
The bible and violence(scroll down to NT section)
Point is you are wrong.
originally posted by: wheresthebody
All three texts should be translated into klingon, with all of the original, non-klingon versions being destroyed.