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The aboriginal americans of this country where given two options abandon your culture and be "assimilated" or be killed. You people dont consider the mass organized slaughter of the buffalo (the main food source of the plains indians) an act of systematic destruction with the goal of racial extermination? You people dont consider the abduction and forced attendance of Indian children to schools that taught them their "place" in society and obliterated all trace of cultural identity a systematic act of cultural extermination?
What really gets my goat is when people say that because Indians are the "losers" of history they shouldnt complain. Fine just as long as you modern "losers" of the cultural war stop complaining about the dillution of the "true culture" of America. Stop complaining about "christian persecution" "abortion on demand" "our vulnerable border" and "the assault on marriage". Why? Because despite all you say about the "moral majority" if there wasn't an overwhelming demand for these things they would not exist, your losing the cultural war and what you did in the past is irelevant.
All these people want is the due recognition of the crimes committed against them and what they are owed legally by treaty. Is that too much to ask? Aparently it is to some people....
Originally posted by Jedi_Master
Folks...I've just got a question...
Just how is the current population of the US responsible for the actions of what happened a couple of hundred years ago ???
I mean don't get me wrong, these things did happen, but how can the current population be held responsible ?
And if they can't...why discuss it ?
It sounds like more racial bashing to me...
Originally posted by crusader
i think u all have to realize it's a God damn white man's world. I think religion and christianity as perpetrated by the white man.is responsible for this.
Originally posted by centurion1211
Amuk,
Great summation of why this just a huge ration of BS. Poster after poster has pointed out the fallacies of jadestone's argument, but it is like talking to a stone.
Originally posted by Chakotay
Area 51 is Western Shoshone Indian Land. We own it. We know what's in there.
So yes, it was assimilate, or resist.
Originally posted by boogyman
I was a tad sleep deprived (and a little drunk)
Originally posted by LadyV
Originally posted by boogyman
I was a tad sleep deprived (and a little drunk)
Ummm, this is off topic but, I have never understood why someone drinks, ot gets drunk, and then gets on an internet bulletin board.....I have seen this a lot on boards and just don't get it
Originally posted by Amuk
Originally posted by Chakotay
Area 51 is Western Shoshone Indian Land. We own it. We know what's in there.
Then show us by walking in there and going where you wish.
Just tell the guards you own it I am sure they will stand aside.
In an apparent reference to the US threat to boycott the conference should slavery and reparations be discussed, Zuma stressed that no topics should be banned from the conference agenda.
He said: "It is important... that we are not made to feel guilty for raising issues which have caused pain to other people in the world."
African leaders are demanding an apology and some form of compensation ever more loudly as the US and some European countries step up pressure on Germany to reimburse Nazi victims for their suffering.
Britain, France, Germany - and the US again - will have nothing of it.
The European countries are wary of acquiring any financial obligations to remedy past wrongs.
For its part, Washington says it will be willing to consider a collective expression of regret - but no more.
BBC correspondent Alex van Wel says delegates in Geneva will have some reason to feel sceptical over their chances of finding consensus on these issues.
Originally posted by Souljah
yep,
this is america.
founded by blood and guts.
indian blood and guts.
and then black mans blood and sweat.
and the white man just makes more money out of it!
just kill them all,
take their land
and go there for vacation.
Originally posted by Chakotay
Many of us are/were the guards, Amuk. You could all learn a lot by listening to us.
Nevada is Shoshone ancestral territory. Everything that has ever happened in there has had Indian eyes watching.
Originally posted by sixftundrgrd
its funny how people think, or maybe not think.....
lets just say for sake of argument..the government will give back all land back to indians and give blacks 40 acres of land plus mule.
first of all whos entiteled to it is first question?
Is 100% indian gonna be first or does a .05% part indian get it first.
same with the blacks
now do the arithmatic...... I can surely see that theres just not enough land in the world for this to happen.What happens when the 100 % of indian gets less valued land as opposed to the .05 does,cuz there is diffently a difference, for instance, a person can have land that is flat or one can have their land on sheer cliffs which is basically worthless.
plus lets just say im black and the government says that they need to pay back indians for all atrocities made to them. now ive work hard and bought this land to build a house on but the gov. needs to pay back ind.s so we are gonna buy your land at a rock bottom price that the market bears. you will not have any choice in the matter. oh this has and does happen to anyone regardless what they are. are you gonna just say, oh ok , or are u gonna bitch and complain that you are being robbed. YOU take government to court to fight them and Maybe you posted on this site that you were in favor for the indians before all you found out the gov. was gonna take your land. Now how willing are you gonna be to say that its the right thing to do,give all land back to indians?
most people i see are willing to get on band wagon as long as it doesnt effect them.
for the record im dutch german englsh..who do i fault first for slaughter of my heritage?
ive applied for an $85,000 business loan from sba now they made me put up $185,000 collateral and they basically said if you were vietnamese, mexican,chinese or other immigrent status we would give you the money.as long as you were not white,middle class.
come on people our government has persecuted evey type of person...irish,chinese,black,red,.....list goes on.
im tired of people whining and bitching about how they are owed something just for being born.
and one more point what happens if my ancestors helped the black people ,foght and died in civil war for them ,do i recieve any money for their actions?