Greatest genocide on earth(It happened in America)

spliff4020 are you refereing to the post just above?
Couple of things here.
1) Both my grandmother, my great aunt and uncles are still alive and kicking. They are all victims of many of then injustices that have been perpetrated against the NA. The free killing the theft of land etc.
2) It may have started 300 years ago, but as I stated above, a quick persual of the web, news reports etc, will show, that the NA were given citizenship in 1956. At the same time that they were given american citizenship, the Federal Bureau of Indian Affairs sold 1.6 million acres of NA land granted to them in numerous treaties, to developers.
The follwoing is an example: The Dawes Severalty Act of 1887 assigned individual Indians 160 acres
each, and after the allotments, sixty million acres of "surplus" Indian
lands were given over to homesteaders. Between 1887 and 1934, two-thirds
of the lands allotted to the Indians, another twenty-seven million acres,
had passed into white ownership. In 1934, the Indian Reorganization Act
ended severalty allotment and the compression of Indian territory, and
began to allow for restitution and expansion. Despite the land takeovers
in the 1950s for reservoir and dam construction, Indian holdings are
actually greater now than they were sixty years ago. The Indian protest
movements and the Native American Rights Fund, founded in 1970, have
continued to work for the restoration of India n lands, although an Indian
Claims Limitation Act was put into effect in 1982, which restricted
permission to file new claims not already registered with the Department
of Interior. Link www.csulb.edu...
So yes, the descrimination etc is still ongoing, but as I stated above, the NA's are not looking for anything special. They are looking for the goverments (Mexican, Canadian and the US) to honor their treaties.

Sorry man, but pure crap...One google search of "benefits for native americans garnered this:

Administration for Native Americans, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services
Business Development Resources from the Small Business Administration
Business Resources from the Minority Business Development Agency
Community Development Financial Institutions Fund
Community Technology Works
Congressional Internship Program for Native American College Students
Employment and Job Training, Department of Labor
Federal Grant Resources
Federal Property Donations Made to Indian Tribes
Grants and Other Financial Assistance Programs
Indian Arts and Crafts Board
Indian Trust Reform
Information Technology Products and Solutions for Indian Tribal Nations
Liaison Office, Bureau of Indian Affairs
National Indian Gaming Commission
Native Employment Works (NEW) Program
Office of Indian Education Programs
Subcontracting Opportunities for Native American Businesses
Tax Information for Tribes
Telecommunications Services for Tribal Groups
The Federal Interagency Task Force on Older Indians

Family and Health
Administration for Children and Families, Division of Tribal Services
American Indian and Alaska Native Women's Health
Center for Disease Control, Minority Health
Child Care Technical Assistance Center (TriTAC)
Childrens Health for American Indians and Alaska Natives
Environmental Health and Toxic Hazards
Food Distribution Program on Indian Reservations
Genealogy: Trace Your Indian Ancestry
Health Resources Database for Native Americans
Indian Health Service
Indian Health Service Facilities Locator
Kids Page: Planet Youth
Medicare and Medicaid Services: Resources for Tribal Governments
Medicare Drug Card for American Indians, Alaska Natives
Midwives - American Indian and Alaska Natives
Native American Health
Native Elder Healthcare Resource Center
Office of Child Support Enforcement, Tribal Resources
Resource Center on Native American Aging
Resources for Native American Elders
Social Security Retirement, Disability and Survivor Benefits
Temporary Assistance for Needy Families and Native Employment Works Program
Tribal Government
Violence against Native Women
White House Conference on Aging

Housing
Department of Housing and Urban Development, Office of Native American Programs
Housing Assistance Programs (NAHASDA)
Housing Loan Program (184 Program)
Indian Housing: Grants, Training, Publications and Other Resources
Mortgage Center

Land and the Environment
American Indian Environmental Office
American Indian Liaison Office
Department of Agriculture, Guide to Tribal Programs (Farming, Rural Development, Food Safety)
Disaster and Emergency Management Services for Tribal Groups
Environmental Health and Toxic Hazards
Maps of Indian Lands
Minerals Collection and Revenue on Native Lands
National Tribal Environmental Council
Tribal Historic Preservation Program, National Park Service
U.S. Geological Survey, Resources for Native Americans
Water Resource Management from the Bureau of Reclamation

Legal Resources
Background on the Indian Trust Fund Lawsuit
Bureau of Land Management Guidance for Native American Consultation
Consultation between Tribes and the Federal Government
Legal Information Institute
Legal Resources
Legislative Updates
National Congress of American Indians
National Environmental Policy Act Implementation
Office of Tribal Justice, Department of Justice
Senate Committee on Indian Affairs
Title 25 of U.S. Code
Tribal Law & Government

Other Resources
American Indian History and Culture at the Smithsonian Institution
National Museum of the American Indian, Smithsonian Institution
Native American Historical Places and Recreation Areas
Native American History and Culture
Native American Population Statistics from the Census Bureau
Navajo Code Talkers
U.S. Census Data for Tribal Governments

...Now you expect me to feel sorry for you and your people? Please. What you need to do, is jump into the 20th century and quit banging your war drum, because we are deaf to it now. There is plenty of resources available to you and yours. A lot more, than to me and my white european friends. In short, get over it...

Originally posted by shots

Originally posted by JADESTONE

Originally posted by shots

Originally posted by JADESTONE
Native Indian population before they were prosecuted: 100 milion

Native Indian population now: 2 million (approx)

Can you prove there were 100 million NA's living here before other countries came. I would like to see you prove those numbers.

Sorry no NA sites allowed when answering, they tend to blow things into something they are not.

Before you try and flame me, let me tell you I am 1/8th NA so I have nothing against my heritage. I would just like to see some proven facts and figures. Thank you...............

sorry but they did not have demographic census at that time but this is the figure that most scholar agree upon.

Again I stress is the number that important.

Which scholars would those be? Have any names?

If the number was not important to me, I would not have asked for confirmation.

I have a friend of a friend whose uncle heard from his aunt that the numbers were not that high. Get my point; that was meant as a joke.

Anyone can take hearsay and make it into unreliable numbers. In addition your numbers did not account for those that assimilated into the general American culture on their own as is my case.

The way you tried to make it sound is that Americans are solely responsible for the low numbers at this time when they were not.

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Since U were persistent I did my best:

starting from 1500

Those are very conservative estimates

USA: 7- 18 M

Not counting Canada , Alaska(whose popualtion the Russians killed) and Mexico.

ref:
Biraben, Jean-Noel, 1980, An Essay Concerning Mankind's Evolution,
Population, Selected Papers, December, table 2.

Durand, John D., 1974, "Historical Estimates of World Population: An Evaluation,"
University of Pennsylvania, Population Center,
Analytical and Technical Reports, Number 10, table 2.

Haub, Carl, 1995, "How Many People Have Ever Lived on Earth?"
Population Today, February, p. 5.

McEvedy, Colin and Richard Jones, 1978, "Atlas of World Population History,"
Facts on File, New York, pp. 342-351.

Although some have put it as high as 115M.(Native Americans)

Happy now....

[edit on 2/4/2005 by shots]

spliff4020...WTH is wrong with you!? Do you think all NA actually get that!? I can tell you we do not! I never did, my three children don't....I am half NA....you will not get anything...not one cent if you did not have a relative live on a reservation between 1800 and something to more recent dates....do you know how many of us were never on reservations!? Obviously not! My family wasn't...my family were renegades that hid in the hills.....as many others did.....you need to do some serious study with your googling before you go spouting off on things you know nothing about!


[edit on 2/4/2005 by LadyV]

Originally posted by LadyV
spliff4020...WTH is wrong with you!? Do you think all NA actually get that!? I can tell you we do not! I never did, my three children don't....I am half NA....you will not get anything...not one cent if you did not have a relative live on a reservation between 1800 and something to more recent dates....do you know how many of us were never on reservations!? Obviously not! My family wasn't...my family were renegades that hid in the hills.....as many others did.....you need to do some serious study with your googling before you go spouting off on things you know nothing about!


[edit on 2/4/2005 by LadyV]

Well, if you receive nothing, theres a reason. I think going back to FRIGGIN 1800 is long enough. What do want? Us to leave? Go back to euprope? Are you telling me that your ancestors are the equivilant of todays Iraqi Insurgants? Can we expect this from them, 200+ years from now? You are the one that needs to get real. What do you expect from us? There are programs in place to help your people out. To many, if you ask me.

If your family didnt live on a reservation, and were "renegades" as you describe, then they were not peacefull and probably attacked US calvary forces, making them an enemy of the state. Now, you want us to feel sorry for you? No way, I'm not buyin it. YOU were never forced off any land. NO Calvary ever attacked you in your home. Maybe some distant realitive some 200+ years ago, but how does that make you entitled to crap? It doesnt. Quit living in the past. If you want to respect and honor your heritage, then by all means feel free. If you think you get a free ride, because of some story handed down to you from 200 some odd years ago, well then your a crackpot.

spliff4020
I am sorry, I THOUGHT we are in the 21st century already. Am I wrong in this? As you stated previously..... All the deaths if by direct killing or by disease occured 300 years ago. your did state that or am I miss-reading your post? The last post that I did was just to educate you to show that it did not just occur 300 years ago. But I gues you missed that.
As I have stated on at two occasions. The NA's are not looking for anything special. Again you must have just allowed your bigotry to cloud your ability to read. Please do not deny the bigotry, read the ending lines of your last post.
I and my family as well as those who I am close to have never ever needed nor wanted any hand outs or special treatment! spliff4020
Remeber the topic of this post
Greatest genocide on earth(It happened in America JADESTONE was attempting to purpose a theory based off of some historical facts.
It was not an attempt top garner pity nor should it be a place to post your extremely biased, prejuical bias!. I take an extreme dislike of such bigoted statements such as you have made. Needless to say You have really P**** me off! I do not look kindly on such statements or bigotry. I have requested that a Moderator reveiw this discussion and your inputs.

U know what even the estimate of the population of the world is very specualtive.

For example some scholar put it in the range of high 1billion to moderate 500 million in 1500.

In that case getting the exact figure will be very hard.

Let me see if I can get some more Info , I have written a few mail and am waiting for responce.

Originally posted by spliff4020


Well, if you receive nothing, theres a reason. I think going back to FRIGGIN 1800 is long enough. What do want? Us to leave? Go back to euprope? Are you telling me that your ancestors are the equivilant of todays Iraqi Insurgants? .

Your just full of ignorance aren't you!? I have never heard anyone in this thread nor have I heard anyone I know, say for the Europeans to go back to Europe I was simply that stating, as most people who read my post with intelligence knew, that the majority of NA do not collect from the government, as you posted a list of benefits as if you had proven that all NA get those benefits, which simply is not true....no one is saying we want compensation for our lands (I think you have your races confused here on this) I think we mostly just want recognition that it was wrong, that we were treated poorly and unfairly...and that many of our people that are trapped in the cycle on the revs get the help they need to break the cycle

Our country has a history that is filled with just as much blood and injustices, maybe more. The entire Aboriginal population of Tasmania was wiped out, completely. What's worse is our government will not even apologize to them (not properly anyway) because it will open the gate for more legal action to be taken or some lame reason like that. Oh he did say he "regretted" what happened but what they want is a "sorry" not regret or any other word that is chosen instead of sorry because of legal and political reasons. Makes me sick



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I started this thread cause my uncle had just attended the WORLD TRIBLE FORUM and represented my tribe.

The problems that our forefather faced should not be faced my our future generation.

And guarantee that this kind of thing never happens is to acknowledge the wrong doing. Thus the debate, was it a Genocide.

Not just in the States but all over the world where natives were prosecuted.

Disease wiped out the vast majority of Indians inhabiting the new world. Wars were not a one-sided affair as JADESTONE makes it sound -- the Indians were guilty of many massacres of European and later American settlements. The British/Americans never enslaved the Indians, however the Spanish did and brutally used them in plantations and mining operations in Mexico and South America, so I think to blame America for a "genocide" is disingenious at best.

spliff4020
I would like to let you in on a few things.
I am considered a full blood even though my great +++ grandfather was greman. I fit into world of the "whitey" using your terms due to this. Other than high cheekbones and other anatomical differences that are genetic to my family, I look like a European.
I am a member of the local NA in Texas.
If you are a Texan or are near here, I will extend to you an invitation to tour the real reservation. The one that you and others do not see when visiting the casinos. I would like to show you just how much of all these grantss welfares, "handouts" that you mentioned actually make it to the NA nations. I would like you to visit the schools, the housing, the medical facilities that are provided by both the federal an stae goverments.
Just to let you know, for every dollar that you weer so readily able to find in these so called handouts. Only 1/10 of 1 cent actually makes it to the NA peoples. The rest are still sitting in the Bureau of Indian Affairs and in the state coffers. I extend this invitation to you to open your eyes to the actual reality that you are denying.
If you are not in or near TX. let me know what state you are in and I will contact the tribal council near you to ask that they provide you and your family on an educational tour of the real reservations.
I am giving this invitation to you, as the motto of ATS is "Deny Ignorance". I would like to educate you so that maybe, you will change the biased opions that you have expressed in this thread.

Originally posted by Souljah

just kill them all,
take their land
and go there for vacation.

You listen to too much RATM

Don't you realize that white Americans today are not those from the 1700's?

If you are going to hold us to that, then you have to hold everyone else to everything they have done...But of course you won't. Your agenda only lets you bash that which is American.

I think we mostly just want recognition that it was wrong, that we were treated poorly and unfairly

and the creation of 100+ programs for your "people" isnt enough recogntion? What will be, then? bottom line: HOW MUCH MONEY DO YOU WANT????

and that many of our people that are trapped in the cycle on the revs get the help they need to break the cycle

Thats their own fault. Lots of white and blacks are trapped to. All that your "people" need is a phone.

I am considered a full blood even though my great +++ grandfather was greman. I fit into world of the "whitey" using your terms due to this. Other than high cheekbones and other anatomical differences that are genetic to my family, I look like a European

Hmm sounds like your an AMERICAN to me. By what rights are you entitled to any hand outs?

I would like you to visit the schools, the housing, the medical facilities that are provided by both the federal an stae goverments

Perhaps paying taxes might help? Or do we owe you more than that?

BTW, I live in Indiana. I dont visit Indian casinos or any other ones for that matter. What my point is, is QUIT LIVING IN THE PAST. Your problems now, are your own, of your own doing. Its not the fault of people from 200 years ago. The Romans conquered europe, europe conquered America. It happened. There are plenty of programs out there to help these people out. Whos fault is it if they dont take advantage of it? What else do you want us to do? Fill out the forms for em? Please.

I need no education about Indians. Yes they were here first, and now we are. Oh well. Thats life. LADY V----> whats the point of rehashing it, over and over? What do you hope to acomplish? Everyone knows what happened. Your "people" arent FORCED to live on reservations, they CHOOSE TO !! Since a free education is offered to them, they could easily leave and move to the burbs like everyone else. They choose to stay in poverty. Thats fine, but why should the rest (MAJORITY) of our society have continued pity? It didnt happen to you. Under what guise are you entitled to anything?

To call this genocide is a stretch. Indians attacked plenty of harmless settlers as well. It was us against them. We won. End of story. The jews in Poland and Germany didnt attack anyone.

[edit on 4-2-2005 by spliff4020]

Ok...as everyone who knows me well here, knows...when I see that I am battle with others and it becomes clear that there is no point in taking it further due to that fact that you can not expect one to go past what they have...I will leave the thread rather than continue banging heads. I mean, it's pointless....a person can not go beyond what they have in emotions, intelligence, or fairness....I will say that it seems, spliff4020, that you have some type of problem for some reason with Native Americans. I have no idea what your problem is, but I have personally only run into it only once, back in the early 90s when a woman did not wanting me touching her dog at work because I was not "white"....racism I guess I dunno. Most of us are out here working, contributing to society, living our lives...but there are those that need help. And yes there are those that are black, white and mixes that need help too....I think they should get it. We always run to other countries when there people need help....the money is always found, it magically appears.....there are many here at home that need too...and I now see you as a very cold hearted, non caring human being...sad. Bad mouth me if you like but I am out of this thread.....it's become pointless, plus I am home today to go to the doctor and I have to get ready to leave. Perhaps it bothers you that there are programs out there for some people and your not able to get any of it?

Jadestone

Here from your first post

Greatest genocide on earth(It happened in America)

Native Indian population before they were prosecuted: 100 milion

Native Indian population now: 2 million (approx)

Even the "Great American Leaders(sic)" were guilty.

starting from 1500

Those are very conservative estimates

USA: 7- 18 M

Not counting Canada , Alaska(whose popualtion the Russians killed) and Mexico.

Now you are saying there were only 7 to 18 million in the US. Yet your original claim was Americans killed or persecuted 100 million. How could they have killed or persecuted 100 million if there were only 7-18 million in the US?

Also why bring Alaska, Canada and Mexico? You cannot blame the US for something the English or French did in Canada, nor can you blame Americans for killing NA’s in Alaska since the Russians did that. The same would apply to Mexico since the Spanish were there before the US Spanish American War.

I hope you can see your own hypocrisy here.

Originally posted by shots
Jadestone

Here from your first post

Greatest genocide on earth(It happened in America)

Native Indian population before they were prosecuted: 100 milion

Native Indian population now: 2 million (approx)

Even the "Great American Leaders(sic)" were guilty.

starting from 1500

Those are very conservative estimates

USA: 7- 18 M

Not counting Canada , Alaska(whose popualtion the Russians killed) and Mexico.

Now you are saying there were only 7 to 18 million in the US. Yet your original claim was Americans killed or persecuted 100 million. How could they have killed or persecuted 100 million if there were only 7-18 million in the US?

Also why bring Alaska, Canada and Mexico? You cannot blame the US for something the English or French did in Canada, nor can you blame Americans for killing NA’s in Alaska since the Russians did that. The same would apply to Mexico since the Spanish were there before the US Spanish American War.

I hope you can see your own hypocrisy here.

hypocrisy

Like I said the real figure is specualtive

those source have put it in between 7-18m
while some have claimed higher....

Since U asked for a creditable source I gave that , while u will not accept figure given by natives......

hypocrisy is not admiting the crime , a small honest apology from the Gov wil do.

As Trent puts it

Originally posted by Trent
Our country has a history that is filled with just as much blood and injustices, maybe more. The entire Aboriginal population of Tasmania was wiped out, completely. What's worse is our government will not even apologize to them (not properly anyway) because it will open the gate for more legal action to be taken or some lame reason like that. Oh he did say he "regretted" what happened but what they want is a "sorry" not regret or any other word that is chosen instead of sorry because of legal and political reasons. Makes me sick

[edit on 4-2-2005 by Trent]

And what thinks I am ranting against the US gov alone...

Originally posted by LadyV
Ok...as everyone who knows me well here, knows...when I see that I am battle with others and it becomes clear that there is no point in taking it further due to that fact that you can not expect one to go past what they have...I will leave the thread rather than continue banging heads. I mean, it's pointless....a person can not go beyond what they have in emotions, intelligence, or fairness....I will say that it seems, spliff4020, that you have some type of problem for some reason with Native Americans. I have no idea what your problem is, but I have personally only run into it only once, back in the early 90s when a woman did not wanting me touching her dog at work because I was not "white"....racism I guess I dunno. Most of us are out here working, contributing to society, living our lives...but there are those that need help. And yes there are those that are black, white and mixes that need help too....I think they should get it. We always run to other countries when there people need help....the money is always found, it magically appears.....there are many here at home that need too...and I now see you as a very cold hearted, non caring human being...sad. Bad mouth me if you like but I am out of this thread.....it's become pointless, plus I am home today to go to the doctor and I have to get ready to leave. Perhaps it bothers you that there are programs out there for some people and your not able to get any of it?

LadyV u Spliff has no idea about those things. He is too busy enjoying his freedom.

spliff4020 spliff4020 spliff4020

Have read anything? Your statement Hmm sounds like your an AMERICAN to me. By what rights are you entitled t any hand outs?
completely missed the point. Or are you doing this purposefully?
I will say this again. Yes I am a Native American. Yes I am proud of my heritage. NO I nor my family receive any handouts (read previous posts PLEASE! Such declaration by you demonstrate why I made the statement. In order to "fit In", in order to "be accepted" in order to be treated as an equal in your world. Do I want this? No, but it a fact of life.
Perhaps paying taxed might help? Or do we owe you more than that?
Guess what, I do pay taxes and have done so since I was 16 years old and started to make a living on my own. Do you????

BTW, I live in Indiana. I dont visit Indian casinos or any other ones for that matter. What my point is, is QUIT LIVING IN THE PAST. Your problems now, are your own, of your own doing. Its not the fault of people from 200 years ago. The Romans conquered europe, europe conquered America. It happened. There are plenty of programs out there to help these people out. Whos fault is it if they dont take advantage of it? What else do you want us to do? Fill out the forms for em? Please.
Did you read my post? The so called Handouts that you so k being indly displayed as evidence to back up your bigotry are not being given to the NA's. The majority of these "handouts are still in the coffers of the states and the federal goverment. Or did you miss that also?

I need no education about Indians. Yes they were here first, and now we are. Oh well. Thats life. LADY V----> whats the point of rehashing it, over and over? What do you hope to acomplish? Everyone knows what happened. Your "people" arent FORCED to live on reservations, they CHOOSE TO !! Since a free education is offered to them, they could easily leave and move to the burbs like everyone else. They choose to stay in poverty. Thats fine, but why should the rest (MAJORITY) of our society have continued pity? It didnt happen to you. Under what guise are you entitled to anything?
Such statements demonstrate just how desperately you do need to be educated. We are't forced to live on the reservations just like the people who live in the projects or in Harlem are not forced to live there either. They also can move anywhere Right? Hmm.... fromn everything that you have said makes it clear that you certainly think so. I am sure that the people that live in those areas would be really happy knowing this info.
As for the "free" education, well, let me see.
1) just as the Japanese did (and the US as well as the world condemns them for) forced Koreans and Chinese to never use their native language. Never partake in the Korean, Chinese cultural history. Guess what, the same goes with the "free Education". Oh bye the way this is in the schools today, not 50 not 100, not 300 years ago today
As for living in the "burbs", let me see here. Yes could do that. Then again, we would have to endure such uneducated blather that you have been spewing here.
I again, offer you the opportunity to tour a reservation with a tribal member. I will take the steps necessary to meet you in the middle. Can you do the same? Or do you wish to continue in the blindness of your present world view,

the Iriquois nations were stuck between the French and English settlers. The French and english were always fighting. the French paid at least one of the Iriquois nations to scalp whites. the Iriquois, as a group, practiced coup, basicially hitting you over the head with a stick....no where near as abd as scalping. Eventually, the Iriquois nation split and sided with either England or France. Those of the Iriquois who helped the French were the ones that George Washington fought beofre this country was founded. Those he fought afterwards were the ones that were still England's allies. You choose sides in a war that's not even your own, you die, simple enough. As a tie in with what happened to the Indians there, my white ancestors were kicked out of Acadia and some of them settled here, where they often died for lack of proper treatment, some of it VERY intentional... This was not the Indians gettign a bad deal from us, it was a bunch of fools of multiple nationalities getting tied up in each other's mess. After this, it started to become more of a getting rid of the Indians because the scalping was VERY much remembered, and was not know, at that time, to be somethign that the French started. read some of Laura Ingalss Wilder's stories, a lot of people believed that the only good Indian was a dead indian, INCLUDING Laura's mother. Later on, the father becomes friends with half-indian man who works for the railroad, and the mother had to learn to accept him. (This was back beofr eaffirmative action, lol...people did straiten out ther prejudices with little outisde help, lol...)

Meh...the superioity complex the whites had was sometimes a fault of religion, sometimes a fault of some evolutionist's beliefs....."on the origin of species by means of natural selection, or the PRESERVATION OF FAVORED RACES IN THE STRUGGLE OF LIFE" I dont' see how that statement can't be seen as racist, lol...because it's about favoring one race over another based on supeority, lol...which is racism.

Anyway, the atrocities that the Indians faced, so did my French ancestors. My great grandmother can remember beign told not to speak French at school, under fear of punishment. she remembers havign her lat name aglicised from Adam to Adams. Her grandparents watched blacks slaves being treated better than they were. The state of Lousisana STILL doesn't allow us to teach our children our culture--and they won't fund it at all, really. If we take French at achool, it's France french, and we can't talk to our Mammans and Parenes with that. The word used in my local area for teacher means the woman who;s in charge of the Brothel in French. We have no need to learn France French. I can't go down the bayou and talk to my own people. We have French Indians too...makes for even more confusion. It's never been that I want aide (when's the last time anyone but a shrimper in Southern Lousisana has ever asked for major funding, lol), I just want my way of life, and I'm white, for christ sake. (And you think Indians drink?!?) It's never been about race. It's been about several stupid decisions made by both governments and by the people who allowed themselves to be subjected to this.

Much of what we and the Indians went through had little to do with who we were, but the fact that we didn't conform to the norm, or waht the country wanted as a norm at the time. The Indians got a bit more of it because their lands were considered non US territory. English was forced down the throats of children because we want to be an English speaking nation, though we have never had an official language declared, EVER, lol...

but in the end, is this genocide? no, I can't see it as that.

As Trent puts it

Originally posted by Trent
Our country has a history that is filled with just as much blood and injustices, maybe more. The entire Aboriginal population of Tasmania was wiped out, completely. What's worse is our government will not even apologize to them (not properly anyway) because it will open the gate for more legal action to be taken or some lame reason like that. Oh he did say he "regretted" what happened but what they want is a "sorry" not regret or any other word that is chosen instead of sorry because of legal and political reasons. Makes me sick

And what thinks I am ranting against the US gov alone...

You clearly stated in your first post that it was Americans. Is your memory that short?

Also what Trent said is not relevant since you did not make the statement he did.