Greatest genocide on earth(It happened in America)

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posted on Feb, 3 2005 @ 02:40 AM
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Native Indian population before they were prosecuted: 100 milion

Native Indian population now: 2 million (approx)

Even the "Great American Leaders(sic)" were guilty.

The founding fathers on that rock shared common characteristics. All four valued white supremacy and promoted the extirpation of Indian society. The United States' founding fathers were staunchly anti-Indian advocates in that at one time or another, all four provided for genocide against Indian peoples of this hemisphere.

George Washington...
In 1779, George Washington instructed Major General John Sullivan to attack Iroquois people. Washington stated, "lay waste all the settlements around...that the country may not be merely overrun, but destroyed". In the course of the carnage and annihilation of Indian people, Washington also instructed his general not "listen to any overture of peace before the total ruin of their settlements is effected". (Stannard, David E. AMERICAN HOLOCAUST. New York: Oxford University Press, 1992. pp. 118-121.)

In 1783, Washington's anti-Indian sentiments were apparent in his comparisons of Indians with wolves: "Both being beast of prey, tho' they differ in shape", he said. George Washington's policies of extermination were realized in his troops behaviors following a defeat. Troops would skin the bodies of Iroquois "from the hips downward to make boot tops or leggings". Indians who survived the attacks later re-named the nation's first president as "Town Destroyer". Approximately 28 of 30 Seneca towns had been destroyed within a five year period. (Ibid)



for more try this link and see who had blood on their in their hand www.greatdreams.com...

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posted on Feb, 3 2005 @ 02:45 AM
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One word: Casinos. It's the best thing the American government can do to 'pay back' the Native Americans for their little mistake.

Now as for slavery...I think a lot of people are still waiting for their 40 acres and a mule promised by the US government.



posted on Feb, 3 2005 @ 02:48 AM
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yep,
this is america.
founded by blood and guts.
indian blood and guts.
and then black mans blood and sweat.
and the white man just makes more money out of it!

just kill them all,
take their land
and go there for vacation.



posted on Feb, 3 2005 @ 03:28 AM
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Originally posted by Simulacra
One word: Casinos. It's the best thing the American government can do to 'pay back' the Native Americans for their little mistake.

Now as for slavery...I think a lot of people are still waiting for their 40 acres and a mule promised by the US government.



I have head that before...
Why do natives have a bad name for gambeling?



posted on Feb, 3 2005 @ 09:10 AM
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They don't have a gambling problem. They have reservations, and on them, they can decide whether or not to legalize gambling. A lot do, and build casinos. They make a ton of money. If you can prove your Indian heritage(you have to be a certain percentage), you can live on the reservation, and basically collect a check from the casino.



posted on Feb, 3 2005 @ 09:17 AM
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Originally posted by cubiehole
If you can prove your Indian heritage(you have to be a certain percentage), you can live on the reservation, and basically collect a check from the casino.


You do know that half of us do not live on reservations to collect money from a casino don't you!? And many that are still on the res do not collect from them.



posted on Feb, 3 2005 @ 09:32 AM
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Add to this. The numbers of Native Americans that died just due to the precense of the Europeans. Far more Native Americans died due to smallpox, measles, mumps rubella than were killed in all the various wars / campaigns against them by any goverment US, Spanish etc.
That is the real saddness to it all.
Think of the 4000 Cherokees that died on the "The Trail of Tears"



posted on Feb, 3 2005 @ 09:36 AM
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The population of the Americas before eurasian contact is estimated to have been between 8 million and 112 million. Most historians favor the higher number.
Upon contact with the early europeans, the first deadly invader was released, and moved out to conquer the land well ahead of the settlers.
It was disease. The native inhabitants of the 'New World' had no previous contact with diseases such as small pox and the plague.
Historians note that in the carribian, entire island populations were wiped out. In the large central and south american populations, entire cities were emptied ahead of the conqustidors which made for an easy conquest.
It is estimated that 85 to 90% of the original population of the americas was wiped out before the first new nation of the americas was born.

This does not change anything about the original post, or the evil that was done afterwards, it is merely for accuracy that I posted this.

Thanks



posted on Feb, 3 2005 @ 09:53 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah
yep,
this is america.
founded by blood and guts.
indian blood and guts.
and then black mans blood and sweat.
and the white man just makes more money out of it!

just kill them all,
take their land
and go there for vacation.




All I want to know is when will the government pay me reparitions for forcing my great X 4 grandfather to release his slaves after abolition? I figure the amount has got to be in the millions; adjusted for inflation.



posted on Feb, 3 2005 @ 10:10 AM
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Genocide = the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group


Certainly not the "greatest genocide on earth" as the title claims as disease played a huge (probably the biggest) role. Nevertheless still a shameful blot in this country's history.



posted on Feb, 3 2005 @ 10:13 AM
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Historical Revisionism at work again.

Foolish and silly people and their failure to either read or understand History.


What is initially described by JADESTONE, is incorrect.
How so?

It was the Europeans that eliminated, or as has been thrown around in this thread by a few: committed genocide, when they landed in North America (specifically America) and gave the Native American indians small pox, etc. You tell'em jake1997


Good grief.....*shakes head*





seekerof



posted on Feb, 3 2005 @ 10:32 AM
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Native Indian population before they were prosecuted: 100 milion

Native Indian population now: 2 million (approx)


The above arguments not withstanding....

That isn't taking into account the 200 YEARS of assimilation into the populace...there are plenty more Native Americans who aren't in that 2 million number, but they are simply mixed with other races so you aren't going to see it... THAT'S how it went from 100 million to 2 million. The above is trying to erroneously assume that 98 million Native Americans (i.e. not Native Indians, hehe...) were the victims of genocide. That simply isn't true. Many simply chose to leave and mix with the population over two centuries....



posted on Feb, 3 2005 @ 10:43 AM
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They estimate that upwards of 95% of some tribes were killed by the various diseases that were brought over by the Europeans. From Encarta:
European settlement of the Americas drastically reduced the Native American population. The European conquest was primarily a biological one. Explorers and colonists brought a wide range of deadly communicable diseases directly from crowded European cities. These diseases spread quickly among Native Americans, who had no immunity to them. Transmitted through trade goods or a single infected person, measles, smallpox, and other diseases annihilated entire communities even before they had seen a single European. From the 16th century to the early 20th century, 93 epidemics and pandemics (very widespread epidemics) of European diseases decimated the native population. To cite only one example, in the American Southwest, the Pueblo population fell by 90 to 95 percent between 1775 and 1850. In addition to smallpox and measles, explorers and colonists brought a host of other diseases: bubonic plague, cholera, typhoid fever, scarlet fever, pleurisy, mumps, diphtheria, pneumonia, whooping cough, malaria, yellow fever, and various sexually transmitted infections.
Link Decline of the Native Americans



posted on Feb, 3 2005 @ 10:50 AM
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Genocide means deliberate. I don't think the people back then
were smart enough to understand that the indians didn't have
the same immunities that Europeans had. BTW - the same thing
happened in Central and South America, not just North America.



posted on Feb, 3 2005 @ 12:01 PM
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Originally posted by Seekerof
Historical Revisionism at work again.

Foolish and silly people and their failure to either read or understand History.


What is initially described by JADESTONE, is incorrect.
How so?

It was the Europeans that eliminated, or as has been thrown around in this thread by a few: committed genocide, when they landed in North America (specifically America) and gave the Native American indians small pox, etc. You tell'em jake1997



Do u have to prove numbers to uncover a genosi

Good grief.....*shakes head*





seekerof




How many people have to die before u call a systemetic killing a genocide.

We have still not learned yet.... DARFUR pains me

100 million or 100 what difference does it makes ,lives were lost and thats the truth.

U can not play the blame game and only blame the europeans.......

sorry i had to do this seems u did not go to the link......

From: www.dickshovel.com...

The founding fathers on that rock shared common characteristics. All four valued white supremacy and promoted the extirpation of Indian society. The United States' founding fathers were staunchly anti-Indian advocates in that at one time or another, all four provided for genocide against Indian peoples of this hemisphere.

George Washington...
In 1779, George Washington instructed Major General John Sullivan to attack Iroquois people. Washington stated, "lay waste all the settlements around...that the country may not be merely overrun, but destroyed". In the course of the carnage and annihilation of Indian people, Washington also instructed his general not "listen to any overture of peace before the total ruin of their settlements is effected". (Stannard, David E. AMERICAN HOLOCAUST. New York: Oxford University Press, 1992. pp. 118-121.)

In 1783, Washington's anti-Indian sentiments were apparent in his comparisons of Indians with wolves: "Both being beast of prey, tho' they differ in shape", he said. George Washington's policies of extermination were realized in his troops behaviors following a defeat. Troops would skin the bodies of Iroquois "from the hips downward to make boot tops or leggings". Indians who survived the attacks later re-named the nation's first president as "Town Destroyer". Approximately 28 of 30 Seneca towns had been destroyed within a five year period. (Ibid)

Thomas Jefferson...
In 1807, Thomas Jefferson instructed his War Department that, should any Indians resist against America stealing Indian lands, the Indian resistance must be met with "the hatchet". Jefferson continued, "And...if ever we are constrained to lift the hatchet against any tribe, " he wrote, "we will never lay it down till that tribe is exterminated, or is driven beyond the Mississippi." Jefferson, the slave owner, continued, "in war, they will kill some of us; we shall destroy all of them". (Ibid)

In 1812, Jefferson said that American was obliged to push the backward Indians "with the beasts of the forests into the Stony Mountains". One year later Jefferson continued anti-Indian statements by adding that America must "pursue [the Indians] to extermination, or drive them to new seats beyond our reach". (Ibid)

Abraham Lincoln...

In 1862, President Abraham Lincoln ordered the execution, by hanging, of 38 Dakota Sioux prisoners in Mankato, Minnesota. Most of those executed were holy men or political leaders of their camps. None of them were responsible for committing the crimes they were accused of. Coined as the Largest Mass Execution in U.S. History. (Brown, Dee. BURY MY HEART AT WOUNDED KNEE. New York: Holt, Rinehart, Winston, 1970. pp. 59-61)

Theodore Roosevelt...
The fourth face you see on that "Stony Mountain" is America's first twentieth century president, alleged American hero, and Nobel peace prize recipient, Theodore Roosevelt. This Indian fighter firmly grasped the notion of Manifest Destiny saying that America's extermination of the Indians and thefts our their lands "was ultimately beneficial as it was inevitable". Roosevelt once said, "I don't go so far as to think that the only good Indians are dead Indians, but I believe nine out of ten are, and I shouldn't like to inquire too closely into the case of the tenth". (Stannard, Op.Cit.)

The apathy displayed by these founding fathers symbolize the demoralization related to racial superiority. Scholars point toward this racial polarization as evidence of the existence of Eugenics.

Eugenics is a new term for an old phenomena which asserts that Indian people should be exterminated because they are an inferior race of people. Jefferson's suggestion to pursue the Indians to extermination fits well into the eugenistic vision. In David Stannard's study American Holocaust, he writes: "had these same words been enunciated by a German leader in 1939, and directed at European Jews, they would be engraved in modern memory. Since they were uttered by one of America's founding fathers, however...they conveniently have become lost to most historians in their insistent celebration of Jefferson's wisdom and humanity." Roosevelt feared that American upper classes were being replaced by the "unrestricted breeding" of inferior racial stocks, the "utterly shiftless", and the "worthless" (Ibid)


Till date I had regarded Theodore Roosevelt as a great man, i was shocked.

Is he the same who said
"no man is above the law or beneth it"

All u get to learn in school is the man's greatness , I seriouslly think we need to give a second look.

The Native's deserve an APOLOGY.

The German apologized to the JEWS after WW II.

I am adding it to the list of apologies that should be made:
The top on the list: Japan to China , the brutal killing in Nanjing.
I will rate the US government just below it......



On a different note , Is that why US government does not want to be a part in the INTERNATIONAL JUSTICE TRIBUNAL, to protect it tainted soilder and leaders



posted on Feb, 3 2005 @ 12:16 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
Genocide means deliberate. I don't think the people back then
were smart enough to understand that the indians didn't have
the same immunities that Europeans had. BTW - the same thing
happened in Central and South America, not just North America.


Hey FlyersFan, Yes it was deliberate to give blankets and such to the Native Americans infested with viruses. It was also given in the form of a "gift".

You are correct in that it did happen in Central and South America also.

Another thought was that if you killed off the buffalo (bison actually) that you could kill off the Indian. Buffalo Bill was so named, well probably not but it just popped in my head. But the invaders did realize how dependent the Natives were on the 'buffalo.'

Tuataras Third Eye.
I'm appologizing for using double space but this I posted earlier..

Let them keep the casino money!

This country has treaties with the Native North Americans, the lands are but a pitance of what they had. We made treaties with another Sovereignty, you cannot make treaties with your own country, therefor we must accept that we gave them the ability to do with thier lands what they would. Just so happens that they are now making alot of money from casinos, do we ask oil producing countries to share the wealth?
We came and took thier lands, tried to totally assimilate them by making thier rituals illegal, outright murdered them, lets just call it what it was Genocide!
Now, on the parcels of the some of the most undesirable lands, they are making money. So What! Now some of them are living better than average, but thier parents didn't quite have it that way. They are legal! I say let them keep their money and consider it long overdue.
I hear people say that they should pay thier fair share- they did it already. I also hear the arguement that 'Well, why can't I start my own casino?' My answer is because you don't have a treaty.
I do believe this is a political issue because the atmosphere around this subject is concerning money- where to get it from?



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posted on Feb, 3 2005 @ 12:28 PM
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Not all indians live on reservations and get casinos checks, and many of them dissapprove becasue of the high drug/alchohol abuse issues with NAtive Americans.

We killed ALOT of Indians, and they killed ALOT of us. This was a new frontier, not the US in 2005 invading a small third world country. It was a different time. I am not saying that it was all correct, or that we should have hunted them all down, but it was the wild frontier in a new land, and there was war. Plain and simple. We even used Indians as did the British during wars.

And as far as reparations, if anyone should be pissed, it is the Irish.



posted on Feb, 3 2005 @ 12:35 PM
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JADESTONE: I'm going to have to dig up my book on Indian Laws passed by the Americans, but you are incorrect to call it genocide. Genocide is a planned act. The Americans wanted to have the indians observe western culture and therefore survive, albeit as second class citizens. Racism/Slavery may have built America, but outright murder (genocide) is not our history.

In fact, Washington tried very, very hard to protect the indians, specifically from trading with Americans (indians were being defrauded en masse) and buying alchohol. Congress spent a lot of time dealing with these issues. Have you read anything except hate-literature on the subject?

Until Andrew Jackson, America really did not have a president who hated Indians. The early Americans respected Indians, they just had a single minded attitude toward their own western culture, feeling that indians should obviously not struggle against change.

Indian men thought they had the best way of life. They went out and hunted and the women did all the work. The western idea of putting a rake into a man's hand and telling him to do what the indians saw as 'women's work' was never going to take.

Many laws and resolutions were passed to protect the indians while the Americans tried to assist them with understanding western culture. Many small-scale massacres happened on both sides, but the Americans tried peace several times.

Now as to whether the Americans had any business being on this continent, I think it's pretty illogical to assume that the indians would have kept the entire north American continent to themselves. Is that what you think should have happened? Wouldn't western culture have reached them anyway? Wouldn't trade and disease and alchohol have ruined these 'innocent' races?

Of course it would have.

Your loathing of America has caused you to see a very skewed picture of the past. Would you care to suggest an alternative solution? What should those thousands of Americans on the East coast have done?




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posted on Feb, 3 2005 @ 12:54 PM
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Originally posted by cubiehole
They don't have a gambling problem. They have reservations, and on them, they can decide whether or not to legalize gambling. A lot do, and build casinos. They make a ton of money. If you can prove your Indian heritage(you have to be a certain percentage), you can live on the reservation, and basically collect a check from the casino.


I live in a state with the largest Casino in the world which happens to be a Indian Casino. The people at the top are only like 25% indian but it has to be from a certian tribe of Indians. You just cant claim Native American and hope for a piece of their pie.

I notice tribal wars somewhat still go on in the Casino world. The big two in my state make great efforts to block other tribes from reaching reconized status so they can build their own Casino and compete for some of that money.



posted on Feb, 3 2005 @ 01:06 PM
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I admit I went overboard on the language ,greatest genocide perhaps not ,
also not all100 million were slautered........

But I still think the concept of linking Genocide to numbers is a traversity on humanity.

Also I am pained to learn the conducts of the American leaders at that time.
Abraham Lincoln was perhaps taking a political stance , but Theodore Roosevelt behavior is unforgiveabel..

I do not think those facts are given to kids in schools ..... to keep them in dark on their founding father's flaws is certainlly not acceptable.


I leave with a dark side of the past
www.arts.cuhk.edu.hk...
www.cnd.org...

When will we learn !!!!!






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