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originally posted by: TheOneElectric
a reply to: marg6043
Think about it like this:
This Russian situation was Obama's ultimate Kobayahi Maru or Catch 22.
Putin's goal was to undermine American democracy. Sometimes (see: in every instance of technological innovation across history) one faction gains a form of weapon before another faction. This time the Russians learned to weaponize internet based psychological tactics, hacking, bot net spam, and other electronic based interference to affect the elections of a 1st world nation, the first 1st world nation.
Obama catches wind of this and does what? Does he give in to Putin and come out with all of this information before the election to prove collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia? The right wing would have slaughtered his name and legacy for attempting to affect the election's outcome. Thus, the United States would have the appearance of being no better than Iran, Syria, Banana Republics, and Russia.
Does President Obama hold his breath, prevent Comey from coming out, and trust that Hillary Clinton will win so that the information can come out afterwards? This option allows the ideals of Democracy along with free and impartial elections to remain intact, but the American people remain ignorant to the truth of the danger that existed.
Either way, there was danger. Either way, he "loses." It seems as if he chose not to say a word and to trust that Hillary could hold her own against Trump and Putin. It was a choice to allow Democracy to stand on it's own or artificially prop it up and therefore tainting the idea forever.
Just tell me this:
IF OBAMA DID COME OUT WITH COMEY AND THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY TO ACCUSE RUSSIA OF TAMPERING AND HILLARY WON THE ELECTION:
What would you say today?
See what I mean, from an objective level the entire situation was doomed from the beginning. This is me being honest: Obama was naive and I would have come out on the other side. TO HELL WITH IDEALS. Truth rules all. But here we are, and the idea of Democracy is still tarnished because it looks like Russia did in fact put a heavy hand on the scale that changed everything.
TO HELL WITH IDEALS. Truth rules all.
originally posted by: diggindirt
a reply to: Gryphon66
That's because most people haven't had real life smack them in the face the way this guy has. Most people just go to work and do their jobs trusting that their bosses are not criminals. Because most of their bosses aren't criminals. It only takes one time to alter one's views on such subjects.
No one asks for immunity exchanges if there is no crime
originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: BlueAjah
originally posted by: PlasticWizard
Smelled like fake news..
“No, Michael Flynn has not offered to testify to [the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence] in exchange for immunity,” Jack Langer, a spokesman for House intelligence committee chairman Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.), wrote in an email to The Huffington Post.
That article shows how the article in the OP has blown the situation way out of proportion.
I just want to be clear here ... you're supporting a Huffington Post article in order to discredit the Wall Street Journal?
Pardon me, I have to check the Book of the Revelation quickly; I think that's one of the Seals.
originally posted by: JinMI
Has anyone thought of Flynn taking all the heat and walking head first into a presidential pardon? This is assuming there is any amount of actual evidence to the Trump and Russia?
Just fitting my shiny hat.