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Except the judges have this thing called "credibility" since they are judges and happen to have dedicated their careers to knowing and interpreting the law. This is opposed to you, some guy on the internet with no formal legal education and likely has just gleamed his opinion off of social media or a conservative news site.
Appeals to authority aren't fallacies when the authority you are appealing to is an actual authority on the subject matter. You can slander these judges all day, but it does nothing to bolster your arguments and they still retain more credibility than you no matter what you say.
Do you. Your own article even says that those judges' opinions has no legal weight.
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Krazysh0t
Do you. Your own article even says that those judges' opinions has no legal weight.
What happened to "Appeals to authority aren't fallacies when the authority you are appealing to is an actual authority on the subject matter." There are 5 9th-circuit judges who disagree with everything you've said in this thread.
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Like I said. Do you. If you want to believe them as true. Knock yourself out. I'm not going to move the goal posts back on what I said originally. So if their opinions is all you need to validate your opinion in your head then kudos to you. As it stands however, their opinions hold no legal weight. So I don't have to take them as seriously as the judges ACTUALLY ruling on these cases; whose opinions DO matter.
Though for me, their opinions don't cut it. Just confirmation bias fodder for Fox News fools looking to validate their already predetermined conclusions. At this point, the only judges that are going to usurp my opinion in this matter are the 8 justices sitting on the Supreme Court since they are the only ones who can over turn the two rulings.
originally posted by: UKTruth
What's next, some judge somewhere deciding that Trump is not allowed to deploy troops in the middle east because it's anti Muslim??? Maybe we could make this judge the Commander in Chief too.
I see no reason to do that since you refuse to accept the judge's reasoning on why it was held up as a valid legal defense. You instead want to pretend like that isn't part of the conversation whenever you bring up the EO's "merits" which makes it a strawman. As I've said multiple times, this EO wasn't held up because of the text within, but because of Trump's own words. Words which Trump STILL isn't retracting and continue to hurt his legal cause.
But regardless it just results in us talking in circles. Instead I'll just hold to the judges' ruling until it is overturned. The legal reasoning makes sense to me anyways.
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Krazysh0t
I see no reason to do that since you refuse to accept the judge's reasoning on why it was held up as a valid legal defense. You instead want to pretend like that isn't part of the conversation whenever you bring up the EO's "merits" which makes it a strawman. As I've said multiple times, this EO wasn't held up because of the text within, but because of Trump's own words. Words which Trump STILL isn't retracting and continue to hurt his legal cause.
But regardless it just results in us talking in circles. Instead I'll just hold to the judges' ruling until it is overturned. The legal reasoning makes sense to me anyways.
Exactly. The EO is not illegal nor unconstitutional. The Judge is referring to his feelings about Trump's statements he made over a year ago, and not anything in the EO itself. I will not accept that as valid because it isn't.
Too bad your opinion means diddly towards the outcome of this EO. Clearly these judges DO see legal merit in these arguments; that is why they ruled as such. So you are going to need a better argument than "it's not illegal nor unconstitutional because I don't agree with the ruling!"
I've already told you why I agree that the EO is unconstitutional. You demanding that I constantly repeat myself isn't going to magically alter the trajectory of this conversation.
originally posted by: LordAhriman
originally posted by: UKTruth
What's next, some judge somewhere deciding that Trump is not allowed to deploy troops in the middle east because it's anti Muslim??? Maybe we could make this judge the Commander in Chief too.
That's not their job. Their job is to make sure the constitution is being upheld here on our soil.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: LesMisanthrope
I see no reason to do that since you refuse to accept the judge's reasoning on why it was held up as a valid legal defense. You instead want to pretend like that isn't part of the conversation whenever you bring up the EO's "merits" which makes it a strawman. As I've said multiple times, this EO wasn't held up because of the text within, but because of Trump's own words. Words which Trump STILL isn't retracting and continue to hurt his legal cause.
But regardless it just results in us talking in circles. Instead I'll just hold to the judges' ruling until it is overturned. The legal reasoning makes sense to me anyways.
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Krazysh0t
I've already told you why I agree that the EO is unconstitutional. You demanding that I constantly repeat myself isn't going to magically alter the trajectory of this conversation.
Because the Judge says it is is a poor answer, unfortunately. And because Trump said something one time doesn't make it unconstitutional. If you cannot refer to the EO itself and recite exactly where it is illegal or unconstitutional, you have nothing.
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Krazysh0t
I've already told you why I agree that the EO is unconstitutional. You demanding that I constantly repeat myself isn't going to magically alter the trajectory of this conversation.
Because the Judge says it is is a poor answer, unfortunately. And because Trump said something one time doesn't make it unconstitutional. If you cannot refer to the EO itself and recite exactly where it is illegal or unconstitutional, you have nothing.
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You SAY I have nothing, but as it stands the EO is being held up for the very reasons I said. So in reality YOU are the one with nothing since you are currently arguing with the state of reality.