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Topic started on 1-2-2005 @ 11:13 AM by soficrow

"Plans must be made to remove at least 4 billion people from the globe in the next few decades if humanity is to survive the upcoming energy crash," says Democrat grassroots golden boy Michael Ruppert, author of "Crossing the Rubicon," and publisher-editor of "From the Wilderness." Unlike other depopulation advocates, Ruppert thinks ordinary people should participate in making the decisions about who's gotta go, instead of letting the "Global Elite" call the shots. Either way, depopulation is the Final Solution. Priming voters for an opinion poll, the InterNet offers a smorgasbord of hate, designed to identify and target 'useless eaters.'

www.guerrillanews.com
"Ruppert Endorses 4 Billion World Population Reduction ...it was extremely shocking to read Ruppert’s endorsement of the Malthusian worldview. ...The only difference is that Ruppert recommends that the Global Elite not be the ones to make the decisions as to who gets the “Get Out of Earth Free” Monopoly cards."

Also see: fromthewilderness

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After the scandal created by Henry Kissinger's "Population Control" Policy in 1990, governments and most global organizations stopped using the words 'control' and 'reduction' in reference to population. Still, Kissinger's US Population Control Policy has not been rewritten, and virtually every major world organization has a "population" agenda, overtly concerned with health and resource availability. Even the World Bank has a Population Council in its Human Development Department.

What is NSSM 200 "Population Control" by Kissinger?
mathaba.net...://mathaba.net/0_index.shtml?x=90207

Investing in Young Lives: The Role of Reproductive Health
www.worldbank.org...

The Coming Water Crisis
www.infoforhealth.org...

Picking up where governments and other non-government organizations had to leave off, select environmental organizations became the vanguard for the 'population control' movement. The Sierra Club led the way with its claim: "The "population explosion" has severely disturbed the ecological relationships between human beings and the environment. It has caused an increasing scarcity of wilderness and wildlife and has impaired the beauty of whole regions, as well as reducing the standards and the quality of living. ...the Sierra Club supports a greatly increased program of education on the need for population control."

In the same vein, the National Wildlife Foundation "encourages the President of the United States to initiate action, both in this country and abroad, which will result in the development of plans and/or programs to curtail the present expansion of human populations." Defenders of Wildlife states "Failure to curb the rate of world population growth will magnify the deterioration of the Earth's environment and natural resources and undermine economic and social progress."

Other environmental groups make the environment-population connection, but shift the emphasis. As Northwest Environment Watch states, "Population growth is not the root cause, but is a major contributor to environmental problems along with polluting technologies, inefficient infrastructure, heavy resource consumption and market economies blind to ecological value."

The Population-Environment Connection: Who Makes It ?
www.npg.org...

Scratch the surface of any issue, any government or organization, and you will find today's most fundamental question asked and answered:

Should the human population be controlled to support the system, or should the system be changed to support life?

Arithmetic, Population, and Energy
www.oilcrisis.com...

"We need a full affront on an energy crisis that is real in California and looms for other parts of our country, if we don't move quickly," Bush told the Dallas Morning News..."
dir.salon.com...

"I think it is a good thing that we limit family size because that could stabilise the global population and help avoid the greater catastrophe that would come if we push our system right to the limits and have to endure very high mortality rates." (Virginia Abernethy, anthropologist and professor emerita of psychiatry from Vanderbilt University, speaking at the 2004 annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science.)
news.bbc.co.uk...

Runaway Train
pej

Forgotten Fundamentals of the Energy Crisis
colorado

Energy Crisis Action Alert
www.carryingcapacity.org...

Energy Crisis and Transition
www.umsl.edu...

It's the end of the world, as we know it
www.autobahn.mb.ca...

The "Depopulation to Support the System" movement is well-funded and masterfully orchestrated, with arms everywhere, like an octopus, and fingers in every pie. Barely camouflaged, the depopulation agenda informs and dominates virtually every major social and economic concern: from education reform to genetic manipulation, healthcare, resource use, and the women's movement. Even language is not immune: now common catch-phrases promote depopulation principles.

One of the more graphic depopulation slogans is "useless eaters," a phrase attributed to Kissinger but most likely originating from the early Eugenics Movement. Used with increasing regularity over the past four years, 'useless eaters' is now an accepted part of the English language, as are its assumptions. In a nutshell, useless eaters are just that - unnecessary, unwanted, unwelcome - designated targets for hate and disenfranchisement, if not outright extermination.

UN: People Over 60 Will Quadruple: Strain Pension and Health Care Systems
209.157.64.200...

How HMO Policies Kill 'Useless Eaters'
members.tripod.com...

Useless Eaters: Disability as Genocidal Marker in Nazi Germany
www.regent.edu...

Eliminate the Useless Eaters
100777.com...

On the Annals of the Laboratory State
www.unu.edu...

The Eugenics Apologies
www.raggededgemagazine.com...

Gangsta Rappers Get Paid and Get Fronted by "The Beast"
www.40ozmaltliquor.com...

Reinventing the Human: Designer Children
www.cddc.vt.edu...

A Commentary on the New Biotechnologies
www.cedarville.edu...

"Under Henry A. Kissinger's two terms as Acting President of the United States, agencies committed to genocide were made institutions of both the National Security Council and State Department."
Source: "The Frameup of Harrison Williams", Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr., Executive Intelligence Review, September 22, 1981

The twin campaigns of hate and fear-mongering recently accelerated, especially in InterNet forums and message boards. This assault's intensity rivals the combined fury of all the early 1900's Eugenics fronts: The KKK; programs to incarcerate and sterilize the "unfit"; anti-immigration movements; and "mercy" killing. Today's targets include terrorists, abusers, murderers, nationalities, religions, race, the disabled, unhealthy, fat and unemployed - and all are rationally justified. Pick an easily identifiable feature or vulnerability; it's on the list, tagged as unwanted and inferior. The only question left is how to organize the list, in order of priority.

Neo Nazi infestation on ATS
www.abovetopsecret.com...

New Report on Saudi Government Publications in US
www.freedomhouse.org...

Hate and fear hijack reason - and passion sabotages informed public debate. Back in 2002, Ruppert tried to focus the public's attention on the real stakes, in an article he published on his website, "Population Reduction of 3 Billion A Global Necessity?"

"What will the members of the oil coup do when they realize they are losing control? If faced with starving, angry masses throughout the world, in the first world as well as the third world - what would be the response of the oil coup? Would they roll over and die, or would they strike back with everything available? It is truly to be hoped that they do not foresee this contingency, or they may decide to unleash biological warfare on the population of the entire world."

www.fromthewilderness.com...

Kerry gave it his best shot when he told voters, "100 million Americans are chronically disabled." Today, Ruppert's message is clear: Depopulation already is accepted as necessary; the only question left open for democratic input is "Who's gotta go?" The underlying question is moot, already answered, vote closed, ballots counted.

Should the human population be controlled to support the system, or should the system be changed to support life?

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reply posted on 1-2-2005 @ 11:22 AM by alternateheaven

While I definatley don't dig on controlling the masses in ways that would be necessary to pull off population control, I don't think its even a viable solution to change the system to support the people. Natural resources are limited, human population isint. If left unchecked we would eventually overwhelm the planet and strip it of all resources irregardless of how little of each it took to make something or feed a person.

Something that has come to mind and probably has been touched on in simliar discussion is benefits for those who dont breed and add to the population of the planet and perhaps increases in taxes on those who have large familes. It might seem messed up (even I think it is) but it would definatley over time convince people that breeding wasnt worth the higher cost in taxes.

reply posted on 1-2-2005 @ 11:28 AM by picard_is_actually_a_grey

Good post, but i dont think so somehow. No way would this be allowed, and it couldnt be forced if this was against the popular view. Basically all the points are valid, but theres not much one can do about it, I guess nature will bring our population under control in coming century.

reply posted on 1-2-2005 @ 11:38 AM by Duzey

In a way, our society already accepts this, as long as it doesn't happen to us, or anyone we know. I'm thinking of a little place called Africa, in particular.

reply posted on 1-2-2005 @ 11:42 AM by soficrow

Originally posted by alternateheaven
Natural resources are limited, human population isint.

Many educated people argue that the 'population crisis' is manufactured - and the real crisis results from industrial abuse of the planet's resources, like using billions of gallons of fresh water for industrial processes, letting unsold food rot, etc..

If left unchecked we would eventually overwhelm the planet and strip it of all resources irregardless of how little of each it took to make something or feed a person.

Biologists point out that life is hard wired to react to illness and stress with reproduction - a 'survival of the species' thing - and that if the world's population was healthy and 'unstressed,' the population would balance itself naturally and drop, not rise.

I don't think its even a viable solution to change the system to support the people.

...So who do you pick to die?

A better question: If you were personally responsible for choosing who would survive and who would be executed, and you knew for a fact that the executions would not be necessary if a few changes were made - would you vote to make the changes?

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reply posted on 1-2-2005 @ 11:49 AM by soficrow

Originally posted by picard_is_actually_a_grey
i dont think so somehow. No way would this be allowed, and it couldnt be forced if this was against the popular view.

It already is happening, without public knowledge. Prion diseases are epidemic and spreading - but the public is being mis-informed and lied to outright.

Please, at least scan through these 2 threads, about Mad Cow and other prion diseases in the USA:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

I guess nature will bring our population under control in coming century.

Neither nature not democracy will have any say in the matter - the "Chosen Elite" are already doing it, according to their own terms and values.

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reply posted on 1-2-2005 @ 12:02 PM by alternateheaven

I honestly dont think killing would be necessary with just a few simple changes of legislation. The rate of human death is only trumped by the rate at which we reporuduce. Given the issues across the world just cutting back on the number of children born would affect the world population. Of course if the route to kill off people is chosen its not necessary to pick who lives and dies, just pick two or more opposing nations and set them at each others throat to let them thin out the population as necessary; except that as you pointed out strife and such causes an increase in breeding instead of a decrease, so all these wars we previously thought were thinning the population are actually going to jack it way up, talk about bass-ackwards.

reply posted on 1-2-2005 @ 12:18 PM by CmptrN3rd5

Well if NASA would start fixin up Mars then Id be all for leaving and going there but thats not gonna happen.

reply posted on 1-2-2005 @ 12:23 PM by Linux

Originally posted by soficrow
It already is happening, without public knowledge. Prion diseases are epidemic and spreading - but the public is being mis-informed and lied to outright.

Why would the ruling elite wipe out the industralized nations? That doesnt make sense really. I've noticed that the great bulk of BSE infections are related to North American and European nations, why would prions be allowed to wipe out the people that support the elites? I mean if you wipe out the working class what would you be left with? Those are also very interesting links you provided, thanks!

reply posted on 1-2-2005 @ 12:30 PM by Ikema

The Sad-Scary thing is I beileve it's true about the decisions and choices are indeed already been made. Why else would stem cell research and cloning be impeeded and restricted? Not a good time to be poor, starving, disabled, or unhealthy. Mad cow- Bird flu- HIV- SIDS what next?

And yet a part of me understands the simple logic. People still reproduce whitout thought or love for their own offsprings. Generations after generations making the same mistakes and poor life decisions without performing the simplest of duties...... preparing our children to survive and pull thier own weight in Society.

The obvious first step is "control" yet as a whole (China, India, African nations, the USA) we are no where near understanding or performing simply the "responable" thing to do, let alone see the "big picture".

It is kind of painfull to regonize and realize the inevatable. God bless my two children and heaven help them to cope in the world they are destine to inherit If they indeed survive the next 15-20 years.

reply posted on 1-2-2005 @ 12:32 PM by superdude

Excellent post Sofi.

Very much agreed about the sinister nature of the prion diseases. This is going to be much worse a disease than we had originally thought I'm afraid. Being that the prion diseases have infiltrated basically everything, and there is no real way to kill them, This is bad.
Is it a man-made disease? I don't know if i would go that far, however I would say that if there is a conspiracy afoot, that it would be the Federal Government blocking further research. On a different thread, Soficrow had made a statement that scientists aren't allowed to even mention it.
It is my understanding that some people are immune, and that a vaccine to immunize against it is not an impossibility.
Is the BSE, the modern day plague which will kill off a great portion of the worlds population?

reply posted on 1-2-2005 @ 12:40 PM by kazi

The humane solution is to start limiting population growth. I doubt seriously if there's a conspiracy to force countries to dissolve through some form of catastrophy, even though we do allow ethnic cleansing to continue, hoping that will slowgrowth in some corners of the world. But the answer is not small fractional wars in Africa, Africa is a big country and as yet there Aren't even a billion people spread through-out that continent, it merely needs ist. world co-operation and infracture growth to pull it out of poverty. Most of the worlds food could be grown in Africa.

Italy has achieved a declining birth-rate in spite, Japan, switzerland, the list goes on.

The biggest problems are in India, China, And Latoin America, where a single word from the Pope would start a chain reaction of population slow-down that would stagger the imagination.
Population control must be taught, early.

Teach our kids the ABC's\
teach them how to read
Arithmetic andd science
but teach them how to breed

There's destructive population growth
appeasing our big need
we satisfy our sexual want
and forget about the seed

Teach
them of the strain on earth
of growing all the feed
teach it, though the righteous
will screamuntil they bleed

reply posted on 1-2-2005 @ 12:59 PM by soficrow

Originally posted by Linux

Originally posted by soficrow
It already is happening, without public knowledge. Prion diseases are epidemic and spreading - but the public is being mis-informed and lied to outright.

Why would the ruling elite wipe out the industralized nations?

Because the populations are becoming a drain on the system, they are not needed to support it - and because they're getting uppity.

I've noticed that the great bulk of BSE infections are related to North American and European nations,

..an illusion. The grandaddy of all prion diseases appeared in the USA in the early 1900's - called fibromuscular dysplasia, it spread to turkeys in the USA by 1980, steelhead trout by 1981, and quail in Japan by 1996.

One common mutation leads to cancer - now found spreading throughout the animal world, including in fish and ocean creatures.

* “The occurrence of fibromuscular dysplasia in the arteries of domestic turkeys.” Julian LM. Am J Pathol. 1980 Nov;101(2):415-24. PMID: 7435545
* “The ultrastructure of spontaneous coronary arterial lesions in steelhead trout (Salmo gairdneri).” House EW, Benditt EP. Am J Pathol. 1981 Sep;104(3):250-7. PMID: 7294154
* “Fibromuscular dysplasia in intramuscular arteries of Japanese quail (Coturnix coturnix japonica).” Braga IS 3rd, Tanaka S, Itakura C, Mizutani M. J Comp Pathol. 1996 Feb;114(2):123-30. PMID: 8920213

* The causes of death in patients with carotid FMD were heart attack (44.4%), cancer (33.3%) and stroke (22.2%) – now the three leading causes of death in the USA, in that order.
Fibromuscular dysplasia of the internal carotid artery: long-term surgical results. J Cardiovasc Surg (Torino). 1993 Dec;34(6):465-72. Moreau P, Albat B, Thevenet A. Service de Chirurgie Thoracique et Cardio-Vasculaire, Centre Hospitalier Universitaire, Montpellier, France. PMID: 8300709

...and yes, fibromuscular dysplasia pathology is found in AIDS, SARS, and avian flu - just to name a few. We're talking out of control mutations here - with vaccines and treatments available only for the "chosen."

why would prions be allowed to wipe out the people that support the elites?

Because they're no longer needed. For example:

Robot Soldiers Headed for Iraq
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Fly-eating robot powers itself
www.abovetopsecret.com...

...And for complete independence from the working classes, even in old age and decrepitude:

Toyota Introduces Mobility Enhancement Suits
www.abovetopsecret.com...

I mean if you wipe out the working class what would you be left with?

A few support classes will chosen and bred for certain abilities, according to function. Maybe sex slaves, entertainers, and a few physicists..... and how could I forget - for spare parts, like stem cells.

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reply posted on 1-2-2005 @ 01:03 PM by soficrow

Originally posted by kazi
I doubt seriously if there's a conspiracy to force countries to dissolve through some form of catastrophy,

It's called non-intervention, or "benign neglect." Essentially, it's an opportunistic solution designed to neutralize the problem of democracy - by letting voters get too sick to function, and forcing the healthy to support the slowly dying.

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reply posted on 1-2-2005 @ 01:09 PM by radagast

how do they kill 4 billion people and still have an earth worth dominating ?

viruses can mutate into nasty things they're not prepared for, too risky
nukes have that nasty "nuclear winter", not good
sterilization could take generations, too long
mad cow ? I'll eat chicken
poison the water ? I drink soda and coffee and beer

reply posted on 1-2-2005 @ 01:12 PM by soficrow

Originally posted by superdude
Being that the prion diseases have infiltrated basically everything, and there is no real way to kill them, This is bad.

There are ways to kill them - they're just not being used. There are also nano-filters to clean them out of wastewater and drinking water - also not being used. For example:

“…prions are notoriously difficult to break down… A new disinfectant, based on enzymes collected from a volcanic pool, is showing promise in destroying the mutated prion proteins…

“We don't know why prions are so highly stable, but they are extremely hard to destroy. Indeed, one standard method of decontamination – soaking in fomaldehyde – actually stabilises the prions.”

* “Volcanic pool enzyme kills prions” 29 July 03
www.newscientist.com...

* “Scientists Discover That Enzyme Degrades Mad Cow Disease Prion,” North Carolina State University press release, January 5, 2004. J. Shih.
www.ncsu.edu...

It is my understanding that some people are immune,

Another empty promise.

... and that a vaccine to immunize against it is not an impossibility.

There are treatments and vaccines - which are not covered by insurance - and not available to ordinary people.

* “Blood test for prions?” 23 November 2000 www.nature.com...
* “Antibodies could combat prion-based diseases” August 2, 2001 www.biomedcentral.com...
* “Antibodies cripple prions.” 6 March 2003 www.nature.com...
* “Scientific Advance Establishes 'Proof Of Principle' That Prion Diseases Might Be Prevented” 6 March 2003, Nature. www.sciencedaily.com...
* “Researchers Discover Possible Diagnosis, Treatment, Vaccine For Mad Cow, Prion Diseases” 2003-06-02
www.sciencedaily.com...

Is the BSE, the modern day plague which will kill off a great portion of the worlds population?

Only if we roll over and let it happen.

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reply posted on 1-2-2005 @ 01:18 PM by superdude

quote:

Is the BSE, the modern day plague which will kill off a great portion of the worlds population?

Only if we roll over and let it happen.

The obvious question needs to be asked here. What can we do to stop it? It sounds like it's already well on it's way.

There are also nano-filters to clean them out of wastewater and drinking water - also not being used.

So assuming the nano filters are used, what would happen when the filter is emptied/changed?

reply posted on 1-2-2005 @ 01:27 PM by soficrow

Originally posted by radagast
how do they kill 4 billion people and still have an earth worth dominating ?

6 billion - 4 billion leaves 2 billion. Plenty to dominate.

viruses can mutate into nasty things they're not prepared for, too risky

we're talking prions here, and yes, they're mutating like crazy - but the 'chosen' think they've got it covered. ...Think gene manipulation technologies, personalized medicaine and stem cell therapies - all much, much further along than we're led to believe.

mad cow ? I'll eat chicken

Read the posts and check out the links - infectious prions are everywhere - you're better off eating a varied diet - the different strains fight with one another, and your healthy cells come out ahead.

poison the water ? I drink soda and coffee and beer

a special kind I take it, that doesn't contain H2O?

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reply posted on 1-2-2005 @ 01:31 PM by bigredenquirer

Originally posted by picard_is_actually_a_grey
Good post, but i dont think so somehow. No way would this be allowed, and it couldnt be forced if this was against the popular view. Basically all the points are valid, but theres not much one can do about it, I guess nature will bring our population under control in coming century.

I think the point is that we would have no choice. Acceptance is not even an issue. Did we accept AIDS? no. Plague? no. BSE? no. I do hope it is not the case. Where did AIDS come from by the way?

reply posted on 1-2-2005 @ 01:36 PM by soficrow

Originally posted by superdude

Is the BSE, the modern day plague which will kill off a great portion of the worlds population?

Only if we roll over and let it happen.

The obvious question needs to be asked here. What can we do to stop it? It sounds like it's already well on it's way.

Demand massive testing and access to treatments and vaccines. Demand clean ups, and effective sterilization and decontamination of hospitals and food production factories, to start. Demand that chemicals and toxins be removed from our food and the environment because they trigger the diseases and make them progress.

Demand that Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) regulations and controls be up-graded and implemented.

There are also nano-filters to clean them out of wastewater and drinking water - also not being used.

So assuming the nano filters are used, what would happen when the filter is emptied/changed?

Again. The technology does exist to kill these suckers. It's just not used. Implementing the new effective measures will cost, and no one is doing it voluntarily.

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