US Navy Missile Specialist Talks Flat Earth

a reply to: constant_thought

The best is the truth. Which is not flat Earth.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Yeah maybe, but speculation is always fun. One day man will know everything there is to know in the universe (if we don't get wiped out by our environment or ourselves first), and when we do we will all be terribly bored with nothing to ponder.

I'm not saying I believe the flat earth theory but why not entertain some light hearted thought on it and how it could be possible. But maybe that is just me...

originally posted by: constant_thought
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Yeah maybe, but speculation is always fun. One day man will know everything there is to know in the universe (if we don't get wiped out by our environment or ourselves first), and when we do we will all be terribly bored with nothing to ponder.

I'm not saying I believe the flat earth theory but why not entertain some light hearted thought on it and how it could be possible. But maybe that is just me...

mainly because the idea comes from the bible, which doesn't actually say the earth is flat anyways...

the whole idea is nothing but conspiracy theorists that have been at it for waaay too long...

Too much conspiracy slowly becomes mental illness... and eventually everything becomes conspiracy... and there is no truth... Everything is lies

I know quite a few people that have become this way...

the theory is delusional...

a reply to: Akragon

Bible says the opposite.

Isa 40:22
He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

a circle is not a sphere though

this is the passage they use...

Job 38
The earth takes shape like clay under a seal; its features stand out like those of a garment.

Said seal is flat... A signet pressed into clay or wax, used by those with authority to express such on documents

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

a circle is not a sphere though

this is the passage they use...

Job 38
The earth takes shape like clay under a seal; its features stand out like those of a garment.

Said seal is flat... A signet pressed into clay or wax, used by those with authority to express such on documents

The word for circle is the closest for sphere in the language. There is no actual word for sphere. As far as Job goes .. it's very poetic, and not meant to be literal.

originally posted by: LardoCalorissian
-Ships do not drop below a horizon.

Wrong.

-No Coriolis effect.

Wrong.

Would it be okay if I presented evidence of a spherical Earth or would that be off topic?

How do you explain Lunar eclipses? Why is the Earth shadow on the Moon always arched indicating a sphere?

Of all the satellites in orbit why no images of a flat Earth or the underside of a supposed flat Earth?
Why do astronauts see a curved, spherical Earth and all images show the same?

Do you understand the origin of our longitude/latitude coordinate system? It's quite interesting in my opinion. It directly indicates a spherical Earth through shadows from our Sun at different locations on Earth.

Why would Earth be the only flat body in the solar system? All other bodies are spherical.

Why is it day on one side of the Earth while night on the other?

The answer to all of these questions indicate a spherical Earth rather than flat.

a reply to: cosmania

So are you saying you pointed a lazer at something that was over 100 miles away. How high were you?

a reply to: cosmania

You're right. I'm a big fat liar. Or delusional. I guess I didn't see what I saw.

Well, the reverse defensive thing is a dead give away.

But you believe some dude in a video explain that he painted a target with a pencil beam (not sure when a laser becomes a pencil beam) at 50 miles. He said it, so it must be true.

It is not a laser, it is a 2d radar line of sight pencil beam. Why are you confused?

So right here you arguing that his claim of painting a target at 50 miles is not true? And you then try to debunk this by saying that you painted a target at more than a 100 miles?

And this is supposed to show that his claim is false?

Not exactly debunking the Flat Earth thing either.

So you painted a target at over a 100 miles you say.

Using the Earth curve calculator, and using the 100ft height again, we would get an obscured height of a whopping
4300 ft.!!!

The horizon is obviously still at 13 miles.

Sooo, the target is below the horizon so you can't see it, there is no line of sight, so how did you get the beam on it?

Even if you somehow got it pointing into exactly the right direction of the target that you can't see cause it is 4300 ft. below the horizon, the beam would need to somehow start bending when it reaches the horizon making it drop a 4300 ft to hit your target.

Don't you realise how ridiculous this is. What you are suggesting is that electromagnetic radiation, radar, or light, would simply follow the curvature of the Earth. So why would we even see a horizon caused by curvature. You supposedly can't see the target, since it is supposed to be 4300 ft. below the horizon, meaning that light does not follow the curvature of the Earth, yet your pencil beam magically does? And it magically finds the target you can't see?


Thanks for proving the flat plane.

Have you ever been above 50,000 feet?

It doesn't matter if I have been, just like it doesn't matter if you have been.

All you got is an anecdote, claiming you saw curvature at 55k.

I actually posted evidence, showing that there is no curvature at almost double the altitude.

a reply to: Devino

Wrong.

This is very easy to debunk. The ship does not drop at all. At the horizon there is an inferior mirage in this case, just like you would get on a highway, in the distance.

There is an air layer that reflects whatever is above it, upside down. The hull of the boat is obscured by this air layer and a part of the sail is being reflected on it, upside down, making it look like the hull of the boat dropped below the horizon, but it didn't.

You can even see in the vid that the whole structure keeps sticking out above the horizon, until it eventually fades away in the distance.

You don't see it dropping below the horizon up with just a little part of the sail sticking out above it.

At one moment the camera pans to the left and you see land, you can clearly see there is an inferior mirage going on because you see the top part of it being reflected, inverted.

Wrong.

Simply posting a vid that explains the supposed Coriolis effect, does not prove it actually exists.......

I will write a thread that will blow this Cornholio effect nonsense out of the water.

Why is the Earth shadow on the Moon always arched indicating a sphere?

Teh Earth shadow on teh moon?

Wrong!

Dude, according to official science, the shadow on the moon is not caused by the Earth casting a shadow on it, it supposedly is because the sun is shining at it from one side, causing the other side to be in the shadow.

Reagarding your FE questions, why don't you watch a few vids, there are tons outthere that can give you an idea of how it all might work on a flat plane.

I admit there is no real working FE model, and I sure don't have the answers.

My focus is on pointing out the things that are impossible on the ball Earth. This doesn't mean that I have to prove Flat Earth, I simply can't. At least I can't prove a model that explains all observations.

I think it is all a computer simulation/rendering anyway.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

The word for circle is the closest for sphere in the language. There is no actual word for sphere.

So what is the word for circle? Is that word closer to circle as a sphere.......

What shape was the seal. Spherical?

Seems like they are talking about a flat seal creating a disc.

You would get an upstanding edge around it.....

a reply to: PocketOfResistance

The excuse that light follows the curvature of Earth is basically the same as saying there is no curvature......without admitting that we are on a flat plane.

a reply to: MyHappyDogShiner

I was trained to measure this great big round thing accurately to keep the guns and missiles from dropping on my own ass while I was spotting the missions.

Not sure what claim you are refering to here?

The Coriolis claim?

What exactly were you trained to account for, and what did you have to account for while being a spotter in the field relaying target information.

Any specific calculations?

sweet... flat earthers get banned now?

about frickin time

a reply to: PocketOfResistance

This is very easy to debunk. The ship does not drop at all. At the horizon there is an inferior mirage in this case,

This is not a mirage, the ship is disappearing because of the curvature of the Earth. There are other examples of this.

Curvature of the Earth: LIGO’s arms are so long that the curvature of the Earth is a measurable 1 meter (vertical) over the 4 km length of each arm. The most precise concrete pouring and leveling imaginable was required to counteract this curvature and ensure that LIGO’s vacuum chambers were "flat" and level. Without this work, LIGO's lasers would hit the end of each arm 1 m above the mirrors it is supposed to bounce off of!

LIGO

Simply posting a vid that explains the supposed Coriolis effect, does not prove it actually exists.......

Actually it is evidence in favor of it existing. What other force do you think causes hurricanes to rotate?

I will write a thread that will blow this Cornholio effect nonsense out of the water.

What “Cornholio” effect? If you mean Coriolis effect then link it to here so I don’t miss it as I would like to read it.

Teh Earth shadow on teh moon?

Yes, during a Lunar eclipse the Earth eclipses the Sun casting a shadow on the Moon, not to be confused with a solar eclipse, and this shadow is arched giving away the Earth’s shape.
Lunar Eclipse

Image

Reagarding your FE questions, why don't you watch a few vids, there are tons outthere that can give you an idea of how it all might work on a flat plane.

You’ve got that right, they are out there. I have seen a few and they are bunk, in my opinion. I don’t have the time to waste on nonsense. I am here, however, and am willing to read what you've got.

This doesn't mean that I have to prove Flat Earth, I simply can't. At least I can't prove a model that explains all observations.

That doesn’t surprise me because the Earth is a sphere, actually it is an oblate, bumpy spheroid shape but by no means flat.

originally posted by: Akragon
sweet... flat earthers get banned now?

about frickin time

What? Who did I just reply to?
PocketOfResistance, aka NoahTalls, aka LardoCalorissian? All banned, the joined dates seem to add up. I guess he didn't Noah't all did he?

originally posted by: Devino

originally posted by: Akragon
sweet... flat earthers get banned now?

about frickin time

What? Who did I just reply to?
PocketOfResistance, aka NoahTalls, aka LardoCalorissian? All banned, the joined dates seem to add up. I guess he didn't Noah't all did he?

Sounds about right... We have a few people that regularly get banned and resurrect the same day... or a few days later

They always catch them, but i've always thought that flat earthers should be banned in any case...

the idea and the people that believe it are just... Well too stupid for this forum, and they always start on the attack when someone shows their ignorance

Its just something we don't need around here... good for a laugh but nothing more

a reply to: Devino

Off topic?

Not even slightly. Have at it. Rock on. Mush!

as i missed the " fun " - [ thats what happens when they schedule a training event on the day the weather goes pearshaped ]

this latest farce leaves me wondering - just how many flat earth believers does ATS really have

i mean actuall people - not just user IDs ?

a reply to: ignorant_ape

Personally I think there are not very many.

Some just do it because they like to argue or debate. They don't really believe the Earth is flat, they just like to see if they can earn feathers to put in their hat by trying to disprove things, or trying to see if they can score "points" with their arguments. You'll find them in other subjects too, not just FE, doing the same thing.

And that behavior above becomes an obsession with them. It's a game and they are out to try and "win" that game.

No mater how many times they get banned from here, heh.