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Woman refuses to work in sex industry, Loses unemployment benifits...

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posted on Jan, 31 2005 @ 10:31 AM
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first one kind of slavery now sexual slavery whats next?




posted on Jan, 31 2005 @ 10:40 AM
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Originally posted by namehere
"Under Germany's welfare reforms, any woman under 55 who has been out of work for more than a year can be forced to take an available job – including in the sex industry – or lose her unemployment benefit. Last month German unemployment rose for the 11th consecutive month to 4.5 million, taking the number out of work to its highest since reunification in 1990."


Germany has been in trouble since the reunification. The majority of those living in the east lost their state controlled factory jobs and low-rent housing. West Germans have been paying a "sunrise" tax, I think it is called since the reunification. At first all were happy to do it, but now looks like its wearing thin. Things haven't improved that much, although the country is unified. Apparently some East Germans have been on unemployment insurance for years because there are no opportunities at all. Also, the government continues to subsidize housing, children's music lessons etc., so for many there is no incentive to go out there and take a low-paying job. That said, I think its disgusting for the government to force a woman to sell her body and will not lead to anything positive. Her body, her choice.

Saw an interesting documentary about German reunification a couple of months ago: Ghosts of the Berlin Wall



posted on Jan, 31 2005 @ 01:21 PM
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Originally posted by FredT
*gets out crystal ball* mrwupy, my ball tells me you are a lonely man. You must be quite the player at a bar with this attitude


I find that comment very amusing, as similar comments were made to feminists in the past - implications that they were feminists because they weren't pretty enough to get a man.



posted on Jan, 31 2005 @ 01:43 PM
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What? what is wrong with saying they have built in ATMs? THEY DO! Men literally throw hundreds of dollars, entire paychecks at women they can't even touch! She is given a job as a hooker? Damn, as said, could make hundreds, thousands a night! And as said, being paid for sex is everyman's dream! I'll gladly go down on a woman for money. Most men would(unless gay, then go down on a guy or whatever) have sex for money. Why people think it is such a bad idea IDK.



posted on Jan, 31 2005 @ 01:53 PM
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Originally posted by James the Lesser
I'll gladly go down on a woman for money. Most men would(unless gay, then go down on a guy or whatever) have sex for money. Why people think it is such a bad idea IDK.


I wouldn't go down on the kind of women who would need to pay for it. Really, most women could charge for people going down on them.

There are health issues involved, but if prostitution is legal I see that as a statement that the profession is not unacceptably hazardous. The attitude displayed in many of the anti-prostitution arguments is classist. Similar outrage could be expressed for other jobs like janitorial work or, as someone pointed out, abortion clinic work.



posted on Jan, 31 2005 @ 02:07 PM
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I knew a girl who was a hooker once. She enjoyed the money but it was a very traumatizing experience for her. She was always on the verge of crying. Anyone that knows anything about women knows that 99.9% of them would find the situation horrible.

I wish I had the opportunity to get paid for sex too
but the idea of being forced to would horrify even me as a man. For those few heterosexual males who don't understand, just pretend that the job offer was as a gay hooker and that you would be homeless if you didn't do it. If you still don't understand, please feel free to move to Germany.



posted on Jan, 31 2005 @ 03:40 PM
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aaaaaand here we go!

Under the German Unemployemnt Law, could a Man be forced into providing sexual services to Hetero and Homosexuals because his 'moral objection' was not acceptable?

If the man objected How would the German Government force him to service homosexuals?



posted on Jan, 31 2005 @ 05:55 PM
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Really, what if the shoe was on the other foot. Say a strait man is offered a job by a gay bordello. Does he lose his benifits or lay down and take it like a frenchman.

At the same time, porn is legal. Suppose both men and women are offered jobs acting in porn films. Now are they not only being forced into a situation they don't want to be in but it's being recorded for all to see.

This whole situation is way off the human decency mark if you ask me.

Love and light,

Wupy



posted on Jan, 31 2005 @ 06:03 PM
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Originally posted by AlwaysLearning
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I cannot believe that you have two daughters and could still stay something so utterly degrading to women. Is that how little you think of them? Of women. You are one bitter man.

As soon as they're able your daughters should run as far as away from you as they can get.



My daughters are grown and living on their own now. They are healthy, happy and visit more often than I like. Both have told me that i was a good father.

I said something that offended you. I thought it was funny. Yes, It was a cheap shot but not really meant to send you off into a blathering tizzy. I hope you get over it, I already have.

Love and light,

Wupy



posted on Jan, 31 2005 @ 06:29 PM
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Originally posted by mrwupy
At the same time, why should the state (taxpayers) have to support this woman when she actually can work and generate plenty of revenue? A woman is born with a built in ATM, all she has to do is put it on the street and the money starts rolling in.

Sex is a commodity. It can be bought and sold just like cornmeal and shares of microsoft.

Once the unemployment is gone she'll probably turn to hooking anyway. Its a sure way to fast cash.

Why shouldn't it be a job option????

Love and light


Wupy


hmm let me guess your single right!!???
your as sickening as this story is....



posted on Jan, 31 2005 @ 06:47 PM
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I was raised by my Mother and Two older sister's , you can say that I have a lot of respect for women that do more than just sit at home, cook,clean and make babies. I think it's okay for a woman to be a House Mom, but i don't think that should be their only choice. I was raised by very caring loving women , and I've set their men straight on how they "SHould" be treated.

You can go ahead and have your own opinion, but Don't think i won't be laughing like hell on the inside. Selling your body should never be an option , It's a shame for that poor german woman to have that happen to her. For anybody who doesn't understand the evil of prostitution , understand that very few people actually do it as high priced escorts.

Most are subjects of ridicule, are in danger of being raped, murdered and beaten. Not to mention the psychological damage that could happen. They lose all respect for themselves ,because most of the men they deal with probably treat them as a piece of ass that they rent out for 50 bucks. it's sad that in alot of parts of the world ,that at least half of the population aren't even considered equal, just because they are female.

Pimps are dirty pieces of filth that I would love to see tortured and degraded. Nothing worse than a pimp, cause they usually dabble in alot more than slapping a woman to sell her a$$.

As for me ever having to stay at home and raise the kids? Hell that sounds good to me, I'll make dinner, raise the kids, Work out , Watch some tube,Clean the house and have time to go to school!



posted on Jan, 31 2005 @ 07:13 PM
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With gov. controlled prostitution there are no pimps who smack their bitches, or get them addicted to drugs, so forth.

Also, how do you know that only, lets say "undesirable" women would pay a guy for sex? Maybe it would give the woman a thrill, or a way to get off without having to deal with a relationship and its problems, or make them feel better that a guy is doing that to her without her having to do anything to him she doesn't want, control and power are strong sexual pluses. Ok, book series I read, rich women use LCs, Licensed Companion, as eye candy at fancy dos, or rich men to, or someone uses them just to get off after a relationship has ended and they don't want to deal with going to a bar ar club and mess with others.

It isn't just fat or "ugly"(beauty is the eye of the beholder) women or men that use prostitutes, some use them cause it's easy, no hassle sex, or because they are in a flunk at the moment and can't pick anyone up at a club/bar, or they just broke up and don't want to date period at the moment. Also, aren't gov. prostitutes tested for drugs? So they, unlike most in America where it is illegal, can't do drugs. Also tested for STDs? SO it keeps the spread of AIDS, hepititas(sp?) syphalis, so forth. I support legal prostitution, and not just cause I am man, but it would help the women, no pimps, no drugs, and don't have to have sex with any man that walked in, have gov. standards so a crack addict can't walk in and get a hand job or something.(jumpy, skinny, bonewhite skin, tracks on their arms, easy to spot if looking)



posted on Jan, 31 2005 @ 07:32 PM
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Originally posted by Chuck Stevenson
If the man objected How would the German Government force him to service homosexuals?

And I suspect that muslim women would get a pass on it.



posted on Feb, 1 2005 @ 10:00 PM
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Originally posted by Nygdan

Originally posted by Chuck Stevenson
If the man objected How would the German Government force him to service homosexuals?

And I suspect that muslim women would get a pass on it.


If they did wouldn't christian and jewish women for that matter?



posted on Feb, 2 2005 @ 03:29 AM
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This is a case of what is commonly called "unintended consequences." The fact is that she is not really forced to work in a brothel, but now that prostitution is legal in Germany and not considered immoral, she has been offered a legitimate job which she has refused and she finds herself in the position of losing her benefits or taking a job beneath her qualifications.

Unemployment benefits in Germany are so liberal and unemployment in so high that the program is bankrupting the government. There was a piece on the news the other day about a man who has been out of work for well over a year and their are plenty of jobs for him to take, but none pay as well as his benefits, so he refuses to work in a field other than the one in which he is trained.

In reality this woman is caught in a kind of catch 22. She can either become a prostitute or she can take a job that is not moral objectionable which will probably pay much less. During the campaign to legalize the "victimless" crime of prostitution, no one, I am sure considered that this situation would be a consequence, but now that this progressive movement has gained legality, many women will be faced with this dilemma and many I am sure who have less stringent moral standards may find themselves with a strong incentive to enter into the profession, which will no doubt lead many into a life that is fraught with all manner of pitfalls.



posted on Feb, 2 2005 @ 04:09 AM
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This is nuts. How can they do that?



posted on Feb, 2 2005 @ 10:27 PM
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Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
This is a case of what is commonly called "unintended consequences." The fact is that she is not really forced to work in a brothel, but now that prostitution is legal in Germany and not considered immoral, she has been offered a legitimate job which she has refused and she finds herself in the position of losing her benefits or taking a job beneath her qualifications.

Unemployment benefits in Germany are so liberal and unemployment in so high that the program is bankrupting the government. There was a piece on the news the other day about a man who has been out of work for well over a year and their are plenty of jobs for him to take, but none pay as well as his benefits, so he refuses to work in a field other than the one in which he is trained.

In reality this woman is caught in a kind of catch 22. She can either become a prostitute or she can take a job that is not moral objectionable which will probably pay much less. During the campaign to legalize the "victimless" crime of prostitution, no one, I am sure considered that this situation would be a consequence, but now that this progressive movement has gained legality, many women will be faced with this dilemma and many I am sure who have less stringent moral standards may find themselves with a strong incentive to enter into the profession, which will no doubt lead many into a life that is fraught with all manner of pitfalls.


Grady thank you for clarifing the German governments point of view on this , I didn't really look into the matter before about Unemployent in germany, now i can see why they would put someone in this situation. They are just trying to crackdown on people milking the system. I also see that you agree that it's a terrible situation that this woman is in. Man what is this world coming to?



posted on Feb, 2 2005 @ 10:33 PM
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Originally posted by James the Lesser
With gov. controlled prostitution there are no pimps who smack their bitches, or get them addicted to drugs, so forth.

Also, how do you know that only, lets say "undesirable" women would pay a guy for sex? Maybe it would give the woman a thrill, or a way to get off without having to deal with a relationship and its problems, or make them feel better that a guy is doing that to her without her having to do anything to him she doesn't want, control and power are strong sexual pluses. Ok, book series I read, rich women use LCs, Licensed Companion, as eye candy at fancy dos, or rich men to, or someone uses them just to get off after a relationship has ended and they don't want to deal with going to a bar ar club and mess with others.

It isn't just fat or "ugly"(beauty is the eye of the beholder) women or men that use prostitutes, some use them cause it's easy, no hassle sex, or because they are in a flunk at the moment and can't pick anyone up at a club/bar, or they just broke up and don't want to date period at the moment. Also, aren't gov. prostitutes tested for drugs? So they, unlike most in America where it is illegal, can't do drugs. Also tested for STDs? SO it keeps the spread of AIDS, hepititas(sp?) syphalis, so forth. I support legal prostitution, and not just cause I am man, but it would help the women, no pimps, no drugs, and don't have to have sex with any man that walked in, have gov. standards so a crack addict can't walk in and get a hand job or something.(jumpy, skinny, bonewhite skin, tracks on their arms, easy to spot if looking)


In an ideal world yes, but i remember reading a thread on here about Women being kindnapped and threatened to work in brothels in fear of their families being harmed. I don't really know the laws in germany pertaining to prostitution but this sounds unethical. I work for a mercedes dealership in california I get to meet all manner of porn stars/escorts and yeah their making a good living. but then i go home and stop at 7/11 and I get a 260lbs black woman asking me for a cigarrete and her pimp going crazy on her not even five feet away for talkig to me? i doubt no matter how legal you make it you can take away the aspect of some Jerkoff forcing a poor girl into that kind of living and making money off it. Only it's legal and he gets away with it. If people can be used they will.



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