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posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 11:45 PM
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a reply to: TiredofControlFreaks

Why is that "the right one?"




posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 11:49 PM
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a reply to: Phage

Phage

I am trying to explain what the pause is or was - please why don't you explain it to him



posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 11:55 PM
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a reply to: TiredofControlFreaks

There was no pause.

Here's your satellite SST chart, btw.
www.livescience.com...
www.livescience.com...



posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 12:05 AM
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a reply to: Phage

Why thank you Phage - that is so nice of you but it would be nice of you but don't you think that the graph should at least show 1998 /97 before the El Nino and the lastest global temperature anomaly of 0.34 degrees.



posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 12:09 AM
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a reply to: TiredofControlFreaks

BTW - that is the Pausebuster study graph you just posted. How very scientific of you with no intention to mislead at all, right?



posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 12:18 AM
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a reply to: TiredofControlFreaks

you think that the graph should at least show 1998 /97 before the El Nino and the lastest global temperature anomaly of 0.34 degrees.
Why start at 1998? Why not go back to 1970? Would that make you happy, you think? "The latest" probably wasn't available at the time the paper was being written. Do you think it would have changed the trend much? Here's the CCI (radiometer) data from 1997 onward.
d3a5ak6v9sb99l.cloudfront.net...
advances.sciencemag.org...

 


BTW - that is the Pausebuster study graph you just posted.
False. The chart is from Hausfather.

A new UC Berkeley analysis of ocean buoy (green) and satellite data (orange) show that ocean temperatures have increased steadily since 1999, as NOAA concluded in 2015 (red) after adjusting for a cold bias in buoy temperature measurements. NOAA’s earlier assessment (blue) underestimated sea surface temperature changes, falsely suggesting a hiatus in global warming. The lines show the general upward trend in ocean temperatures. (Zeke Hausfather graphic)

news.berkeley.edu...

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posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 12:38 AM
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a reply to: Phage

what is the difference between the graph from the Pausebuster study and the Hausfather study?

By the way - you had posted that the buoy data was cooled by -0.12 degrees. Do you know what the accuracy of that calculation was?



posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 12:45 AM
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a reply to: Phage

Now you are showing me ERSST v. 4.0 data after it has been adjusted by the Pausebuster data.

Phage -please - its would be hard to show the Pause to Greven with data that has been "adjusted" to "erase" the Pause.

As for discussing the Pausebuster study and any changes in the global record by ERSST v. 4.0 data - i would rather wait for the congressional investigation



posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 12:56 AM
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a reply to: TiredofControlFreaks

what is the difference between the graph from the Pausebuster study and the Hausfather study?
The graph shows you the difference; "Old NOAA", "New NOAA", "Buoy", "Satellite". You know, the homogenous data that was independently looked at by Hausfather?



By the way - you had posted that the buoy data was cooled by -0.12 degrees. Do you know what the accuracy of that calculation was?
That is the amount that buoy data was reduced in every grid.



Now you are showing me ERSST v. 4.0 data after it has been adjusted by the Pausebuster data.
Yes. Along with ATSR data and buoy data. That's what the different colors mean. You know, the homogenous data that was independently looked at by Hausfather? That's the satellite data you were asking for.



i would rather wait for the congressional investigation
Ok.

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posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 01:01 AM
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a reply to: Phage

Yes I am aware that buoy data was adjusted by -0.12 degrees. You have so advised me but what is the accuracy and precision of the calculation



posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 01:02 AM
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a reply to: TiredofControlFreaks

Read the K15 paper from whence it came.



posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 01:10 AM
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a reply to: Phage

never mind



posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 02:23 AM
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a reply to: TiredofControlFreaks

Apparently they went and checked the temperature readings in all the ships engine rooms and the average was .012 C too high.



posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 02:51 AM
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I think this is how NOAA is explaining the pause;

Old ship based data is trending in red.

Modern buoys trend in green, just a bit cooler.

As more buoys replace ships, there is a pause created by switching trend lines. The duration of the pause is directly related to the duration of the transition of ship to buoy readings.




Apparently Bates is adamant that there was bias in correcting the data, and plans to present evidence. I'm not sure why the Hausfather data shows the old NOAA data as being cooler than the new buoy data, that contradicts the whole explanation of the pause. Their data for satellites and buoys should not have been corrected upwards to match non-calibrated ship data. They should have been corrected down to the more accurate buoy data, which would be below the blue old NOAA graph. Ship data would keep the same graph line as new NOAA. That wouldn't change any overall trend lines, but it would highlight the fact that all previous ship data is suspect, due to the variables that went unnoticed for so long. Unless of course, all ships and engine rooms are the same.

http ://www.foxnews.com/science/2017/02/07/federal-scientist-cooked-climate-change-books-ahead-obama-presentation-whistle-blower-charges.html
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posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 03:57 AM
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a reply to: AutonomousMeatPuppet

can you please better explain your statement

"I'm not sure why the Hausfather data shows the old NOAA data as being cooler than the new buoy data, that contradicts the whole explanation of the pause."



posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 04:16 AM
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a reply to: AutonomousMeatPuppet

Nice to see that the issue has reached Congress and has been debated on the floor. Also very nice that NOAA is going to "review" the allegations and that Washington Post has finally published something after refusing the first offer from Dr. John Bates.

www.washingtontimes.com...



posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 04:40 AM
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a reply to: AutonomousMeatPuppet

Considering that buoys had reasonable spatial coverage back to 1950, I still can't think of a reason why they chose to adjust the "good" buoy data to the "bad" ship data.



posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 08:37 AM
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a reply to: TiredofControlFreaks

Yes, it's a pity there are so many inadequate 'thinkers' who continue to push the opposite agenda without so much as entertaining any kind of Critical Thinking at all.

Sad really.



posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 06:57 PM
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originally posted by: TiredofControlFreaks
a reply to: Greven

Greven

why are you posting more useless graphs. If you are going to post graphs at least post the right one - the satellite graph please.

Compared to you who make assertions without posting jack squat?

That graph shows the differences between the 'pausebuster' adjusted NOAA data and Hadley data. It is quite similar.

One more time:

Why don't you share with us all what you think the "pause" is then, if you think I'm misunderstanding something?

If you do not elaborate, I can only assume you are engaging in a personal attack, so please do clarify for us all what you believe the "pause" to be.

You disagreed with my data on the first page, which included satellite data.

Prove your point, or retract your statement. Now.
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posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 09:37 PM
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a reply to: TiredofControlFreaks

It was more of a question really. But I see it's not proper to compare old NOAA data to separated buoy data.

It looks like the New NEW NOAA data will be adjusted down to buoy level and the trend line downgraded, according to the OP article. (Did DailyMail just add a bunch of new information??)

Plus, I saw that a Senator will be bringing in a bunch of scientists who have been defunded for disagreeing with NOAA.






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