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Why work hard when you can just get everything for free?
Again there are millions of different jobs and new industries popping up all the time.
originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: FauxMulder
Denmark has high taxes.
It also has the happiest people in Europe. Collectively, Danes are some of the happiest people in Europe, because although they pay alot of tax, their society is enriched using the money their government gets in tax. Their money is not spent on war, or dodgy oil deals with terrorist nations, nor is it spent on huge prison populations or a militarised police force. Their money gets spent largely on the people instead, and that makes for happier folk. Their childcare is sorted as a matter of course, their health is looked after to a high standard, their roads are maintained well, their other infrastructures are top quality, and for all that they have high taxation, their standard of living as amongst the highest in the developed world.
Are you telling me that socialism has failed the people of Denmark? Because I will show you a nation full of people who do not have to chose between going to work and spending time with their children with a bill hanging over their heads, who might have something to say about that!
Denmark’s first female prime minister, Helle Thorning-Schmidt, has conceded defeat and resigned as leader of her party after her coalition government lost the election to the centre-right opposition. Thorning-Schmidt told party members she will step down as prime minister and leader of the Social Democratic party on Friday after Denmark became the latest European nation to experience a surge in rightwing populism.
What did the capitalist US do? Took TAXPAYER money and gave it to PRIVATE bankers who were already rich!! WHAT THE F#K
We GET more than we put in. Things we would never have alone.
Denmark, however, is contending with many of the same issues that are widening the income gap in the U.S. and other European countries. Wealthy Danes are benefiting from the boom in global stock markets in recent years. Educated citizens with mastery over the latest technology are commanding bigger salaries, while middle class manufacturing jobs are disappearing.
The Danish government cut taxes for the rich, while curtailing public assistance for the poor, jobless and recent immigrants. "There's more of a stigma on unemployment," said Kristian Weise, director of Cevea, a center-left think tank. "Danes generally support a big welfare state, but there is a growing feeling that people have to do more for themselves to get a job."
Here's how the gap is widening: Denmark, along with Iceland, saw the largest increase in inequality in Europe -- rising 12% in each country between 2008 and 2012, according to Eurostat. The Top 10% of Danes saw their incomes grow by 29% over the decade ending in 2013, while middle-income folks experienced only a 12.3% bump, according to the Economic Council of the Labour Movement, a left-leaning think tank, citing national statistics. The poorest Danes suffered a nearly 1% loss in income, a rare occurrence in a country where everyone's income usually rises.
Then why is your President b#ing about how he needs to bring jobs? One of you is lying.
By the way, you clearly don't know your history. The ONLY reason Hitler even met the NSDAP is because he was sent to INFILTRATE it because the government thought it was socialist due to the name. Remember how they threw socialists into camps? Facts are inconvenient
As Fuhrer, Hitler’s first priority was jobs, or the lack of them. German unemployment had peaked at 6 million due to the Depression devastating the economy. With innovative public works schemes such as the building of autobahns, Hitler put every German back to work. He also advocated schemes such as KdF – Strength Through Joy – which gave workers increased benefits for increased levels of production. This policy was popular and increasingly with the proletariat who had seen their country decimated by the depression… By putting people back to work and making huge public spending, inflation was bound to happen. However, Hitler kept this under control by not allowing wages to rise with prices. This may have been one unpopular aspect of Hitler’s economic policy but there were many that the people supported. So Hitler created jobs…through government. While at the same time, he criticized certain segments of the population, demeaning them, blaming the countries woes upon them. The rich, they just ruin everything. Sound familiar?
Big Education If you haven’t seen it yet, go watch WW2 Surivor’s Account Draws Chilling Similarities between Nazism and Liberalism. When the mothers had to go out into the work force, the government immediately established child care centers. You could take your children ages 4 weeks to school age and leave them there around-the-clock, 7 days a week, under the total care of the government. The state raised a whole generation of children. There were no motherly women to take care of the children, just people highly trained in child psychology. By this time, no one talked about equal rights. We knew we had been had. Public education, where children are at school all day long, with state-funded and state-sponsored curriculum… convinced yet?
Nationalized Healthcare Also from the WW2 Surivor’s accounting of Nazism: After Hitler’s health care was socialized, free for everyone. Doctors were salaried by the government. The problem was, since it was free, the people were going to the doctors for everything. When the good doctor arrived at his office at 8 a.m., 40 people were already waiting and, at the same time, the hospitals were full. If you needed elective surgery, you had to wait a year or two for your turn. There was no money for research as it was poured into socialized medicine. Research at the medical schools literally stopped, so the best doctors left Austria and emigrated to other countries. As for healthcare, our tax rates went up to 80% of our income. Newlyweds immediately received a $1,000 loan from the government to establish a household. We had big programs for families. All day care and education were free. High schools were taken over by the government and college tuition was subsidized. Everyone was entitled to free handouts, such as food stamps, clothing, and housing.
originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: FauxMulder
Socialism also isn't defined very well I don't think. When people talk about Socialism they seem to apply a single definition for what it is without any flexibility. But you can have various forms of Socialist Societies with various models of how their economies work.
The differences and similarities I think need to be understood by everyone in the conversation first before you can even attempt to discuss the pro's and con's and start comparing things. Because all too often no two people are even using these terms in the same way or to mean the same thing.
gave workers increased benefits for increased levels of production
Last week the Danish government agreed upon the main elements of a growth plan estimated at 75 billion DKK which will improve the framework conditions for operating a business in Denmark.
Minister for Trade and Investment Mrs. Pia Olsen Dyhr says:
- “We are constantly working to improve the conditions for doing business in Denmark and I am very pleased that the Danish government can now launch these significant amendments which will make it even more attractive to run a business in Denmark.”
Big Government advocates see as desirable outcomes in Scandinavia — relative prosperity, high levels of income equality, long lifespans, good health, low levels of poverty, and more — all predate the welfare state.
On life expectancy, for example, four out of the top five OECD nations were in Scandinavia in 1960, with Norway at the very top. On income, meanwhile, most of the shift toward “equality” happened between 1870 and 1950 — long before the welfare state took over.
Ironically, the emergence of Big Government even put some of that at risk, along with the long-established cultural norms such as the Protestant work ethic, honesty, social trust, entrepreneurship, innovation, and more that made those advances possible to begin with.
Indeed, before the emergence of welfare-state policies beginning in the 1960s and 1970s, Sweden was among the most prosperous and fast-growing economies on the planet. Between 1870 and 1936, when Sweden was characterized by relatively free markets, the nation enjoyed the highest rate of growth in the industrialized world. [b/]
Innovation and entrepreneurship flourished, making Sweden one of the richest countries on Earth. Then came the radical Social Democratic period characterized by an ever-larger and more expensive government. Between 1975 and the mid-1990s — marked by the radical, if short-lived, experiment in “Third Way” socialism — Sweden dropped from being the fourth richest nation in the world down to the 13th richest.
spring 2001, Parliament adopted that 21.5 percent of the value of former SDFI portfolio could be sold. 15 percent was sold to Statoil and 6.5 percent were sold to other licensees. Sales of SDFI to Statoil was seen as an important element in implementing a successful partial privatization of Statoil
By the millennium, it was opened to the participation of several types of companies on the NCS. In the interests of good management of resources was the major international companies which were established in Norway supplemented by other types of companies as other business opportunities in the Norwegian petroleum resources. Today there is a high degree of diversity and competition on the Norwegian shelf with more than 50 Norwegian and foreign licensees on the shelf.