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Indigo do you have snippets of translated sanskrit you could post here? I am not questioning the validity of what you're saying im just wondering about alternative ways of interpreting it.
All planets are powered by a central sun. Perhaps they meant all planets within a solar system have a central sun (a star in the center of the solar system) which they are powered by (and by powered they mean given light)?
Despite that opposition i'm an advocate for the hollow earth theory...at least to an extent.
I find it very interesting that there is an underground theme in almost all the worlds cultures.
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A serpent. A sect of Indian sages roaming naked; they are believed to have acquired occult attainments due to their severe penance. Nagas are also fabulous dragons with a human face and the body of a serpent. They are said to dwell in Patala Loka (q.v.) and are custodians of esoteric wisdom. Ancient sages with spiritual wisdom were also known as Nagas.
Patala (q.v.). The realm where the Naga serpents dwell.
Sanskrit Naga (“serpent”), in Hindu and Buddhist mythology, a member of a class of semidivine beings, half human and half serpentine. They are considered to be a strong, handsome race who can assume either human or wholly serpentine form. They are regarded as being potentially dangerous but in some ways are superior to humans. They live in an underground kingdom called Naga-loka, or Patala-loka, …
Nagas are human from waist up and snakes from waist down, although they are often shown with hooded canopies or seven or more heads. Both sexes are greatly beautiful, and several royal families in India were able to claim descent from them, one of their kings married a nagi (a female naga) in the past. They are in many ways superior to man, and are potentially dangerous, but have promised only to bite humans who are truly evil or destinied to die prematurely. Originally, they inhabited the surface of the earth, but they grew too populous and Brahma sent them to the nether regions, where they now live in a great city filled with palaces beautifully ornamented with gems, called Naga loka, Patala loka or Bhogavati. Their tribal chief is Taksaka, and his birthday is still celebrated in India today as a Hindu holiday. Nagas are associated with water, and can be guardians of treasure. However, Buddhists regard them as minor deities and door guardians.
Vedic Hymn to Rahu
'Rahu is snake shaped, born of a lioness and a devourer of the Sun and the Moon'
Rahu is the head part of the celestial snake. This hymn refers to Rahu being snake shaped. The snakes are given great importance in Vedic mythology. Lord Shiva has a snake around his neck, Lord Vishnu's throne was Shesh Naga - the Eternal Serpent. Shesh Naga represents the cycles of time and space which the seed of cosmic creation. The Nagas are shaped like snakes but stand tall. The Nagas are highly evolved beings. They are wise, but their wisdom can be used for both good and bad. The Naga sheds his skin, this symbolises transformation,re-birth. The snakes in Vedic literature remind people of their mortality.
The 'devouring of the Sun and Moon' are when Rahu eclipses the luminaries. This shows the important part Rahu has to play in changing the course of our life. The Sun and Moon are Royal planets under whose dictates the universe and life on earth revolves. But Rahu can darken this light, therefore it controls the process of life. The Sun is the Soul and Moon the Mind, when they are eclipsed, they go through regeneration, transformation and death.
There are many Myths and legends attached to Rahu Ketu. The most well known one is of Rahu Ketu as the Naga Vasuki- the ruler of the Patala Loka (the nether regions of the earth). Nagas in Vedic literature are not ordinary snakes but Serpents with much hidden knowledge and wisdom. There was a great war between the gods and the demons for the control of the universe and at the centre of it was the ocean which was being churned to find the hidden treasures and the Amrita- the nectar of immortality. Vasuki helped the gods in their mission. He was the rope tied around the spiritual mountain Mandara, which was the rod, used by the gods to churn the ocean.
When the Amrita was found the gods wanted to keep it for themselves as they felt that the demons would use it for the wrong purpose. Vasuki being a demon, his instincts were for personal glorification and materialistic happiness rather than universal good. (Sacrificing self for others is considered the godly impulse). Vasuki, was more intelligent than the other demons, he was not willing to be distracted by the gods. He drank the nectar of immortality secretly. The Sun and the Moon complained to Lord Vishnu, the creator of the Universe, who was very angry at this deception. In anger he threw the Sudharshan Chakra at Vasuki and cut him into two. Vasuki had drunk the Amrita and was immortal, therefore could not be killed. He remained in the skies as Rahu(the head)Ketu (the lower half), a permanent reminder to the other planets(gods) of the darker side of life which we have to defeat in the pursuit of immortality.
Rahu Ketu are considered great enemies of the Sun and the Moon because they told Lord Vishnu about them. They symbolically swallow the two luminaries during the eclipses. Their capacity to darken the Sun and the Moon make Rahu Ketu the most powerful influences in the Zodiac. The Sun around whom the other planets and the solar system revolves, the Moon which controls life on earth, are obscured by Rahu Ketu during eclipses. Rahu Ketu represent Cosmic Law which everyone including the Sun and the Moon have to obey.
This allegory has to be understood as life. The Gods without the help of Vasuki (Rahu Ketu) could not find the secret of immortality. In the same way we as humans cannot find our higher selves without understanding the lessons of Rahu and Ketu. They represent the darker side of our nature which we need to overcome. Our inner emotions are like the ocean being churned. Within this ocean lie a number of treasures as well as poisons and nasty things. We have learn to recognise the precious from the dross and finally find Amrita- the secret of immortality or true happiness. The conflict between our attachment to materialistic achievements (this gives us momentary happiness which is a fantasy as it has no real basis, the domain of Rahu) and liberation of the soul, finding bliss and tranquillity which is eternal and everlasting (Ketu is the Moksha karaka significator for spiritual realisation). The gods needed the help of Vasuki in the Amrita manthan and in the same way we need the knowledge provided by the wise nodes to give direction.
NAGA A snake, especially the cobra-capella. A mythical semi-divine being, having a human face with the tail of a serpent, and the expanded neck of the cobra. The race of Nagas is said to be a thousand in number, and to have sprung from Kadru, the wife of Kasyapa, for the purpose of peopling patala, or the regions below the earth, where they reign in great splendour. From the name of their mother they are called Kadraveyas. Their mother is sometimes called Su-rasa. This dominion was taken from them by the Gandharvas, but they recovered it through their sister, the Narmada river, who induced Vishnu to send Pratardana to their assistance. Their females were handsome, and some of them intermarried with men, as Ulupi with Arjuna.
The Nagas, or a people bearing the same name, are historical, and have left many traces behind them. There were mountains so called, and Naga-dwipa was one of the seven divisions of Bharata-varsha. Kings of this race reigned at Mathura, Padmavati, &c., and the name survive in the modern Nagpur. There are various speculations as to who and what they were, but it seems clear they were a race distinct from the Hindus. The mythological accounts are probably based upon the historical, but they have been mixed up together and confused. The favourite theory is that they were a Scythic race, and probably obtained their name from worshipping serpents or holding them in awe and reverence.
NAGA-LOKA Patala, the residence of the Nagas.
All planets prior to their formation are part of their parent stars, like the nine planets of our solar system were part of the Sun. After parting from the Sun, it took millions of years for our Earth to cool and become solid. The Earth is hollow inside, with a tiny white-dwarf "sun" at its center. Most of the other planets in this universe are hollow inside. And most of the planets are inhabited too, because the basic purpose of planets is to support life – as that of stars is to support planets. On a planet, both the outside surface and the inside surface, or any one of them, could be suitable for life. For our Earth, both the surfaces support life – in fact, the "inside world" (referred to as Pataal Loka in Hindu scriptures) is more suitable for life as is protected from outside natural calamities
Originally posted by Indigo
However, the vedas describe them as positive, not negative. Maybe we have misconceptions about Reptillians, however,they did say they are potentially dangerous too and can kill anyone who mistreats them or ventures into their land.
Originally posted by Indigo_Child
However, the vedas describe them as positive, not negative. Maybe we have misconceptions about Reptillians, however,they did say they are potentially dangerous too and can kill anyone who mistreats them or ventures into their land. I recall a story in the Mahabharata where Bhima is poisoned by Duroyodhna, they were children at this age, and he was then thrown into a river and he fell into Naga Loka, where the snake beings tried to kill him, but then the king of their kingdom realized the kid was from his own family of interbred humans and then gave him a special potion that gave him superhuman strength and sent him back to land.
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Originally posted by bhagavadgita
You know, the Nagas could be a reference to a Native American tribe. And that "Patala Loka" means Underworld, and it could mean across the Earth from India.
There was some interesting speculation I had read somewhere that if you folded a map in half, India would overlap America. There are supposedly some interesting similarities between Vishnu, the Hindu preserver god, and one of the Native American gods, Quetzalcoatl. This would certainly explain "God" sending the Nagas to the UnderWorld because they became too populous in ancient India. In Hinduism, everything is an act of God, everything is God so it isn't a stretch then to understand what they are actually referring to (this is all just speculation of course, but it makes sense to me).
Also the idea of a snake-man, maybe they mean it spiritually. Because kundalini is associated with the snake, merhaps the Nagas were genetically pre-disposed to active Kundalini, and thus were described as half-serpent half-man.
Originally posted by Indigo_Child
Bhagvad Gita, if that floats your boat that's alright, but it's full of holes and I can see it sinking. You are forcing interpretations(North America? Because if you folded a map in half, India would overlap with it! lol) upon the texts, because you do not want to accept what they say or are ashamed to accept what they say. It is glaringly obvious that they did actually mean underworlds and it is stated in several ancient Indian texts. Further, yes they did mean actual bi-pedal humanoid serpent beings, and they are even depicted in ancient Indian statues and there are a lot of stories of them and their interaction with others, and they they are crucial part of Indian "mythology" There is even further reinforcement from the Buddhists fabled Shambala region and it is explicitly said in the Purans that the Patala Lokas were seperated from the surface worlds. They even stated that there were many Patala Lokas.
A further reinforcement comes from Sikhism where Guru Nanak declares there are many worlds and many underworlds.
There are even accounts of giants(9-10 feet tall) in the texts. I suppose this really is a symbolism for how big their auras were.... right?
You are not the type that claims the Kamasutra is really depicting the union of spiritual energies, right?
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Derinkuyu is believed to have held up to twenty thousand people and could be as many as eighteen to twenty stories deep. Much of this underground city has not been explored due to cave-ins.
Originally posted by bhagavadgita
Doesn't make everything that they have to say actually 100% true. Maybe there ARE snake-like beings that are called Nagas, and maybe your theory is the truth, but as far as I can see, your speculation is just as good as mine. I don't see what actually makes you so convinced that the texts are meant to be taken so literally.
...scientists have offered a radical alternative. One of them, the late Thomas Gold, of Cornell University, theorized in the 1990s that petroleum products are instead created from gaseous hydrocarbons, like methane, that have been inside Earth since it formed 4.5 billion years ago. Gold figured the gas migrates from the mantle toward the surface through cracks in the planet's crust. Some is trapped, and some is chemically altered into oil and coal....Gold proposed there was as much life below, in terms of mass, as on the surface.