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Victorian families raised their daughters in such an atmosphere that submission to men, being good at housework and looking after children were the fixed gender roles imprinted on their memories at their early ages. They were confined to their private spheres. Higher education was seen as unnecessary by their family and the society. They just could find works which didn’t require high qualifications, such as needle work, cleaning, baby sitting. Men even didn’t condescend to talk to them about politics, art, business and science. What was expected from a woman was to be a charming and decorative housewife who made the home and food ready for her husband and children.
It was not until 1870 that girl’s education was taken into account by the British authorities. After Education Act was taken into effect in 1870, elementary education for both sexes became compulsory. Thanks to that Act, the girls began to learn reading, writing and arithmatic. Few girls had the chance to have the secondary education for the families took their sons into consideration. Thomson maintains that English families, even upper class parents didn’t consider their daughters’ secondary education till 1880 and 1890s.
originally posted by: johnnyjoe1979
True, but you have to accept the fact it was all founded by males. The guys build the ships to get the women on the other side, the guys invented the pens, writing, everything you see in that picture is invented by guys.
originally posted by: jonnywhite
a reply to: johnnyjoe1979
The number of inventions by men is a result of the patriarchal society.
Sigmund Freud is a famous neurologist and psychoanalyst. He's also famously known for describing woman as inferior, resulting from their lack of penis and hence their penis envy. They couldn't have a superego like men. Of course he was born in 1856, steeped in the patriarchal society of that time.
originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: jonnywhite
to be fair though, many of the boys didn't get much of an education back then either. it was more a matter of you learned what you needed to fullfill your station in life.. if your dad was a blacksmith, you'd learn alot about running a blacksmith business but next to nothing about anything else.
and well if you were a daughter of nobility, you would probably learn to read and write, since that would draw better suiters for you to be married off to.
but as far as women not inventing or contributing, I challenge that, I think many did, only their contributions would have been rejected if it was known to have come from them so their husbands would take the credit for them.
originally posted by: Agartha
originally posted by: johnnyjoe1979
True, but you have to accept the fact it was all founded by males. The guys build the ships to get the women on the other side, the guys invented the pens, writing, everything you see in that picture is invented by guys.
Perhaps because women were denied an education and women in the past were not given the opportunity men had to study, learn and invent/create things.
Equality means equality of rights, such as the right to: vote, have custody of their children, study, earn the same, etc, all rights that women only achieved in the past century (more or less).
EDIT: I see Johnnywhite posted about education whilst I was typing.
Most importantly it's the guys that do the actual abortion or approve of it in some way, so the responsibility is theirs.
Really it is a whole system of masters and lesser masters
was a war first fought by men.
originally posted by: Bluntone22
originally posted by: johnnyjoe1979
originally posted by: Bluntone22
originally posted by: windword
a reply to: johnnyjoe1979
You wanted it, you got it, this is it, you forgot about responsibility.
No, we haven't "got it". And, we won't have it until men stop telling women what to do with their own bodies.
I will work on the assumption that you're talking about abortion rights.
Well if it's your body and your choice I can deal with that, no problem.
But then birth control is also your responsibility and so is the financial issues that come with child birth.
Your body, your choice.
Just to add guys can get sterilized too, put on a condom, or take a pill. So that's not an argument anymore. Once it's there sure but then the question is more about if the woman wanted to be with the guy or not. And with female bodybuilders and martial artists, that's going to be difficult to decide as an outsider.
That's not really the point.
If a women gets pregnant she is totally in charge of the decision to keep or abort the baby.
The argument is that it's her body.
My point is since the man gets no say in the matter, why can he be held financially responsible?
It was her body, the body she has control over. Where does the mans opinion cease to mean anything?
FYI, I'm not against abortion. Just feel these are questions that need resolved.
Men went to war to fight for their women and children, not to abandon them.
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
Men also had to fight for "equality". The right to vote, the right to own property, and so on, was a war first fought by men. Maybe a little gratitude is in order.