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Originally posted by devilwasp
Ok now your accuseing people of not doing any work?
WRONG
The union understands that if you dont work, you aint gona be there.
Your incident carseller seems a bit......far fetched.
Why would my incident be farfetched? I could not get a raise based on my ability, because the Union had a contract stating how long you had to be employed to get a raise. A raise based on time served, not merit.
My story is not exceptional, it is the rule. My story also pales, when compared to others I heard about Unions. ie...halfway unloading a truck, then leaving the driver sitting there for an hour, because it's lunchtime.
[edit on 29-1-2005 by Carseller4]
[edit on 29-1-2005 by Carseller4]
[edit on 29-1-2005 by Carseller4]
The union understands that if you dont work, you aint gona be there.
Your incident carseller seems a bit......far fetched.
Originally posted by sleeper
Like carseller pointed out unions treat everyone the same-----and everyone gets the same pay----those who work and those who don't.
Same with the left, they believe in equality in pay regardless of output-----in effect the masses are equal to cattle because individuality is stamped out-----and the few leaders are equal to kings----to be served by the cattle.
The left and the unions both hate corporations----so in reality they are one and the same.
Originally posted by Carseller4
Why would my incident be farfetched?
I could not get a raise based on my ability, because the Union had a contract stating how long you had to be employed to get a raise. A raise based on time served, not merit.
My story is not exceptional, it is the rule. My story also pales, when compared to others I heard about Unions. ie...halfway unloading a truck, then leaving the driver sitting there for an hour, because it's lunchtime.
Originally posted by sleeper
I hired some union carpenters to build me a house-----paid them almost double what the non-union carpenters asked.
I wanted the best carpenters to build my house----why cut corners----so I paid more----the job was so bad I thought the codes inspectors were going to make me tear it down.
I had to hire the non union guys to bale me out.
Not only that half way through the job the union carpenters upped their price and walked off the job until I paid it.
I never heard of anyone doing that before (after agreeing and singing a contract) but what the heck do you do? The materials were lying all over the lot---what wasn't being stolen was warping in the sun----so I paid.
If you need a major ream job----hire union.
Originally posted by devilwasp
One incident, do you want me to count how many times a company with out a union has screwed its workers over?
Hundereds.
Originally posted by sleeper
One incident like I would ever hire union again so that they could have another shot at me.
One incident for me----every time I tell that story I hear other stories just as bad and some much worse.
I bet if I start a tread and ask about union horror stories there would be lots of replies.
You don't hear a lot about the union because people are afraid of the union thugs.
Originally posted by TrueLies
If my father saw this thread he's chew it up and spit it out.
The union he belong to has helped save him from losing his job.
Sure there is some bs in it, what doesn't have bs mixed in?
The ying yang, there is good in every evil, and evil in every good...
It's what happens...
Unions help the people survive against the negative's of corpratism.
Originally posted by sleeper
Companies never get rid of their good employees----they do get rid of dead weight.
Companies are not welfare institutions----they have to make a profit to stay in business so that they can keep the other employee on the pay roll.
The left hates that kind of logic----can't understand it----and we don't expect them too.
Just wipe their noses, pat them on the back and send them back out to the play ground.
Originally posted by sleeper
Start your own company and then see how easy it is to stay in business while keeping everyone happy----the IRS----employees----stock holders----the bank that holds your loans----the state bureaucracy----the county bureaucracy----the city bureaucracy----the federal bureaucracy.
You can’t judge a company until you have created your own company----and then everyone and their grandmother tells you how to run it.