Dr. Ben Carson Joins Donald Trump Administration as HUD Secretary

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: UKTruth

How is it shaping up nicely???

WTF does Carson know about "Housing and Development"???

He turned down the position of "Health and Human Services Dept." saying he didn't want that he wasn't qualified and takes the "Housing Dept." instead. But he's a damn Doctor meaning if anything he should have taken the other position which he's more qualified for which was the Health Dept.

This is your opinion of coming along nicely???

He didn't say that he thought he was unqualified. You read too much fake news. Stop watching CNN, et al, or you are going to continue to be deceived.
Carson said himself when asked that it was a quote from someone else, Armstrong Williams. Even Mr Williams didn't say it and wrote an article refuting he ever said it. (this is explained by Carson in the interview in this thread, which you must not have watched)
No experience of being a politician is required to be a politician, except general management skills.

It's coming along very very nicely.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Xcathdra

We have a President who has not served one day in the military and yet he is the Commander in Chief.

That's different. The military is supposed to be led by a civilian, The President, because the military obeys and answers to the people, supposedly. Besides, Donald Trump campaigned on the fact that, even though he has no experience, he would hire and surround himself with the best and brightest in the field.

I can't believe that I have to argue with Trump supporters over the concept, business wise and politically, of appointing professional people who are familiar with and have demonstrated competence the field that they are to manage!

I can't trust Ben Carson's judgement or ability to manage, as head of the US Government's Department of Housing and Urban Development any more than I can trust Donald Trump to surround himself with the best and brightest cabinet members to advise and consult on the issues important to the people's best interests.

Trump has demonstrated that he isn't interested in putting America first, as he pledged. He's interested in rewarding his cronies for supporting him by giving them control of choice leadership positions.

Oh I see, so because it's "supposed" to be that way, then that is ok then?
Given the absolute shambles that currently exists, I would think that it would be obvious that so called 'experience' is not much of a barometer for success.

a reply to: UKTruth

Yes! It's supposed to be that way! Common sense 101! We're supposed to hire/elect/appoint leaders who understand and have experience in the fields we've hired them to lead! Trump is continually undermining his own supporters' confidence with his blatant cronyism and conflicts of interest.

I would think that it would be obvious that so called 'experience' is not much of a barometer for success.

Specifically, what's your problem with the way the Obama Administration and Julian Castro have run HUD?

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: UKTruth

Yes! It's supposed to be that way! Common sense 101! We're supposed to hire/elect/appoint leaders who understand and have experience in the fields we've hired them to lead! Trump is continually undermining his own supporters' confidence with his blatant cronyism and conflicts of interest.

I would think that it would be obvious that so called 'experience' is not much of a barometer for success.

Specifically, what's your problem with the way the Obama Administration and Julian Castro have run HUD?

When you start using terms like 'supposed to be' in opposition to Trump picks, you know for sure there is real change happening. Bravo President Trump. REAL change as opposed to Obama's fake change.

Perhaps Carson will start with dispensing with the social engineering by quashing Obama's policies of forced racial integration. As for Castro, I am sure he is the person who introduced a scheme to sell underwater mortgages to Wall Street.

Here is a quote from Carson in 2015:

“These government-engineered attempts to legislate racial equality create consequences that often make matters worse,” Carson wrote. “There are reasonable ways to use housing policy to enhance the opportunities available to lower-income citizens, but based on the history of failed socialist experiments in this country, entrusting the government to get it right can prove downright dangerous.”

edit on 6/12/2016 by UKTruth because: (no reason given)

a reply to: UKTruth

When you start using terms like 'supposed to be' in opposition to Trump picks, you know for sure there is real change happening.

You're the one who brought up the "supposed to be" proposition, suggesting that Trump is deliberately choosing an unqualified person on purpose, just to try something different! That's just dumb!

Perhaps Carson will start with dispensing with the social engineering by quashing Obama's policies of forced racial integration.

Can you provide an example of such "forced racial integration" in housing by Obama's HUD office. Do you think landlords should be able to refuse housing to people of color, and that HUD should protect them? Do you think HUD should give priority to housing projects that are affordable for middle and lower class Americans?

As for Castro, I am sure he is the person who introduced a scheme to sell underwater mortgages to Wall Street.

No, that was the Bush Administration that did that. The Bush Administration gave us the "housing bubble" that popped, and Obama inherited the problems. That's what those Wall Street bailouts were for.

Here is a quote from Carson in 2015:

Your quote exemplifies why Carson is uniquely unqualified to hold the office of Secretary of Housing and Urban Development.

Please tell me again, Why did the good doctor, Ben Carson, turn down Trump's offer of Secretary of Health and Human Services?

Dr. Ben Carson will be the first HUD secretary who actually lived in government housing growing up. I'd say that gives him more experience than anyone bitching about it, politicians included.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Dr. Ben Carson will be the first HUD secretary who actually lived in government housing growing up.

Except that he didn't.

NY Times corrects stories saying Ben Carson once lived in public housing

The New York Times issued corrections for two stories on Monday that stated Dr. Ben Carson once lived in government-subsidized housing.

In its retraction, the New York Times wrote, "Correction: December 5, 2016 - An earlier version of this article, relying on information from Armstrong Williams, a close friend of Ben Carson, misstated a part of Mr. Carson's childhood. Mr. Williams said Monday that Mr. Carson had never lived in government housing."

President-elect Trump announced early Monday his intention to appoint Carson to lead the housing department. The talking point that Carson would be the first Housing and Urban Development secretary to have lived in public housing was repeated throughout the day by both supporters and opponents.

Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee tweeted support for Carson, saying: "Ben Carson is first HUD Sec to have actually lived in gov't housing." He later issued another tweet, blaming the "fake news" New York Times for being his source.

He most certainly never almost stabbed anyone either! www.thedailybeast.com...

a reply to: windword

Thanks for the correction and link. I stand corrected so my apologies.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: UKTruth

When you start using terms like 'supposed to be' in opposition to Trump picks, you know for sure there is real change happening.

You're the one who brought up the "supposed to be" proposition, suggesting that Trump is deliberately choosing an unqualified person on purpose, just to try something different! That's just dumb!

Perhaps Carson will start with dispensing with the social engineering by quashing Obama's policies of forced racial integration.

Can you provide an example of such "forced racial integration" in housing by Obama's HUD office. Do you think landlords should be able to refuse housing to people of color, and that HUD should protect them? Do you think HUD should give priority to housing projects that are affordable for middle and lower class Americans?

As for Castro, I am sure he is the person who introduced a scheme to sell underwater mortgages to Wall Street.

No, that was the Bush Administration that did that. The Bush Administration gave us the "housing bubble" that popped, and Obama inherited the problems. That's what those Wall Street bailouts were for.

Here is a quote from Carson in 2015:

Your quote exemplifies why Carson is uniquely unqualified to hold the office of Secretary of Housing and Urban Development.

Please tell me again, Why did the good doctor, Ben Carson, turn down Trump's offer of Secretary of Health and Human Services?

No, you brought up the whole 'supposed to be' argument. Do you even consider what you write?

In terms of forcing racial integration:
nypost.com...

More on this use of HUD to socially engineer society:
www.investors.com...

Actually it was not the Bush administration - it was Castro and he even got criticised by liberals for it:
www.wsj.com...

Seems like the very good Dr Carson knows a hell of a lot more about you on the subject, which is hardly surprising.

a reply to: UKTruth

Do you even consider what you write?

Do you even read the links that you're posting? Why do you post irrelevant lies?

In terms of forcing racial integration:
nypost.com...

Hillary’s rumored running mate, Housing Secretary Julian Castro, is cooking up a scheme to reallocate funding for Section 8 housing to punish suburbs for being too white and too wealthy.

Lies! False news. Never happened!

More on this use of HUD to socially engineer society: www.investors.com...

The stated purpose is to use the data to compel local officials to loosen zoning laws and build more public housing, thereby offering more poor inner-city minorities better opportunities for housing and education. But the unstated purpose is forced racial integration. The suburbs are just too white for Obama and his race-mongering social engineers.

Pffft. Yeah right! More biased, Alt-Right hyperbolic fake news nonsense that NEVER HAPPENED!

Actually it was not the Bush administration - it was Castro and he even got criticised by liberals for it: www.wsj.com...

Actually it was! Market Crashes: Housing Bubble and Credit Crisis (2007-2009) Obama inherited the housing crisis.

This article has a "paid wall" and all I can get is;
A coalition of liberal activist groups launched a campaign Tuesday against Department of Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julián Castro, questioning his fitness for higher office because they see him as favoring Wall Street firms in HUD’s sales of .........

So again, Castro was NOT Hillary's running mate, and favoring Wall Street Firms in HUD's dealings with large community housing projects may not be what liberal ideally want, but that certainly what they're going to get from a Trump administration. We have already seen him stock his cabinet with Wall Street tycoons. So all your links criticizing Castro's administration of the HUD during the Obama years are irrelevant fodder to appease your need for deflection, trying to defend the indefensible.

Ben Carson has zero experience and is absolutely unqualified to head up the US Office of Housing and Urban development. The insane are running the asylum under the hubris of the Trump administration, kicking the buck down and down the ladder, ready to blame anyone but them for their failure to meet the already extremely low bar that they've set for the American people!

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: UKTruth

Do you even consider what you write?

Do you even read the links that you're posting? Why do you post irrelevant lies?

In terms of forcing racial integration:
nypost.com...

Hillary’s rumored running mate, Housing Secretary Julian Castro, is cooking up a scheme to reallocate funding for Section 8 housing to punish suburbs for being too white and too wealthy.

Lies! False news. Never happened!

More on this use of HUD to socially engineer society: www.investors.com...

The stated purpose is to use the data to compel local officials to loosen zoning laws and build more public housing, thereby offering more poor inner-city minorities better opportunities for housing and education. But the unstated purpose is forced racial integration. The suburbs are just too white for Obama and his race-mongering social engineers.

Pffft. Yeah right! More biased, Alt-Right hyperbolic fake news nonsense that NEVER HAPPENED!

Actually it was not the Bush administration - it was Castro and he even got criticised by liberals for it: www.wsj.com...

Actually it was! Market Crashes: Housing Bubble and Credit Crisis (2007-2009) Obama inherited the housing crisis.

This article has a "paid wall" and all I can get is;
A coalition of liberal activist groups launched a campaign Tuesday against Department of Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julián Castro, questioning his fitness for higher office because they see him as favoring Wall Street firms in HUD’s sales of .........

So again, Castro was NOT Hillary's running mate, and favoring Wall Street Firms in HUD's dealings with large community housing projects may not be what liberal ideally want, but that certainly what they're going to get from a Trump administration. We have already seen him stock his cabinet with Wall Street tycoons. So all your links criticizing Castro's administration of the HUD during the Obama years are irrelevant fodder to appease your need for deflection, trying to defend the indefensible.

Ben Carson has zero experience and is absolutely unqualified to head up the US Office of Housing and Urban development. The insane are running the asylum under the hubris of the Trump administration, kicking the buck down and down the ladder, ready to blame anyone but them for their failure to meet the already extremely low bar that they've set for the American people!

Let's just wish the The Great Dr Carson well in his bid to undo the forced racial integration and wall street enrichment schemes the HUD was being used for under Obama and Castro.
I am sure, like Trump, he will prove to be a winner (although if he can be just 10% of the winner Trump is, that will be great) and we can forget the horrors of the Democrat failures of the last 8 years.

a reply to: UKTruth

What horrors? The economy is up. I bought a house in 2014, thanks to Obama's and HUD's guidelines, and I can afford my payments! And, for the first time in 30 years I got health insurance, and can afford those payments too! I own and run a small business and it's doing fine, so long as Trump doesn't raise tariffs 35%!

You have no idea what you're talking about, repeating false narratives and spouting lying rhetoric, all high and mighty from across the pond.

The bottom line of your argument is, once again, you and all the Trumpeteers, making excuses for Trump's lies and blatant cronyism, at the expense of the American people's best interest.

Only in the Trumpsters' upside down world is it logical to appoint someone whose personal position is antithetical to the mission and oversight of the actual job at hand, and who is too blinded by his own hubris to see his own lack of experience and inability to actually navigate through the bureaucracy and do the job.

a reply to: windword

The economy, over a presidential term has been growing since Jimmy Carter - at least. Not much of an achievement.
Unfortunately for Obama, he's not even been as successful as Bush II in this regard.



When you throw in his horrible performance on wage growth, it's been a disaster. Time for The Donald to fix things.



..and then look at spending and how much Obama has spent to achieve his sub par performance...



...and then we see what has happened to the workforce... with falling labor participation. People no longer in the workforce looking for a job.



...and of course, the disaster of income inequality brought about by Obama, increasing the dependent poor class and enriching his corporate cronies, shrinking the middle class and destroying the countries prospects.



Apologies for the inconvenient truths about the car crash of an Obama presidency - which I am sure you think are lies lies lies, dammit!

You make it sound like being able to afford your repayments is a wonder, lol. I guess the bar is low after such a poor President as Obama.

The wonderful thing about Dr Carson's appointment is that liberals hate it. That is a guarantee it is the right choice as liberals always get it wrong.

a reply to: UKTruth

I'm not going to get sidetracked by your unsourced and biased deflection. BTW, Obama's admin bailed out the auto industry, preventing a proverbial "car crash", saving the economy. The money was paid back and 1000s of jobs were saved!

"There's no way that you can convince me, or most people in general, that other "professionals" have not met some mark of expectation, therefore it's wise to depend on ignorance! What could go wrong?

Nor are you going to convince me, or anyone with half a brain, that the person appointed to advise the President of the United States of America on a specific matter has no need to be knowledgeable or educated in that specific matter. Good intentions are NOT good enough.

Not only did the good doctor turn down Trump's appoint to Health and Human Services, a position that he is somewhat qualified for, he has publicly decried the very mission that his appointment as HUD Secretary is assigned to oversee and fulfill!

Trump promised to drain the swamp and, since he's an inexperienced politician, to surround himself with the "best and the brightest" in their fields. He has done the opposite. It seems he has appointed a number of swamp dwelling cronies who won't fulfill the missions of their office, but will seek to dismantle them.

It's whole lot easier to break things that to build them. So no, I'm not interested in giving Carson a chance, waiting and hoping for the best. I'm going to loudly oppose his appointment, with logic and reason, at every opportunity available to me, and hope that our lawmakers listen, read and pay attention to petitions, calls and letters that cross their offices, and that Carson is NOT confirmed as Sec of HUD!

a reply to: windword

Lol, I guess the facts are not acceptable to you. Not surprised.
I'll just look forward to his confirmation and crack open a beer when it happens.

a reply to: UKTruth

See that's the thing. There are people who will celebrate the disrespect of American governmental offices and the demise of strides in progress, like dancing jihadist on 911. It's especially disheartening when the loudest and most outspoken ATS posters aren't Americans and don't even live in America, don't care about or understand current events, let alone American history and the actual daily live of the people. There you are, ready at the whip, with defamatory personal attacks and fake news on a subject you don't understand in the least, and couldn't care less about.

You sit there, on the other side of the pond, keyboard in hand trying to convince me, and others, that "no experience" is better than experience, when it comes to those who are appointed to advise our new, inexperienced President Elect Donald Trump, on matters that are of the public's greatest interest.

Well, I don't trust your intentions any more than I can trust Ben Carson to be ready to advise President Donald Trump on the current issues of Housing and Urban Development on Day One of the Trump Administration. Anything less is blatant cronyism and is unacceptable by American standards!

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: UKTruth

See that's the thing. There are people who will celebrate the disrespect of American governmental offices and the demise of strides in progress, like dancing like jihadist on 911. It's especially disheartening when the loudest and most outspoken ATS posters aren't Americans and don't even live in America, don't care about or understand current events, let alone American history and the actual daily live of the people. There you are, ready at the whip, with defamatory personal attacks and fake news on a subject you don't understand in the least, and couldn't care less about.

You sit there, on the other side of the pond, keyboard in hand trying to convince me, and others, that "no experience" is better than experience, when it comes to those who are appointed to advise our new, inexperienced President Elect Donald Trump, on matters that are of the public's greatest interest.

Well, I don't trust your intentions any more than I can trust Ben Carson to be ready to advise President Donald Trump on the current issues of Housing and Urban Development on Day One of the Trump Administration. Anything less is blatant cronyism and is unacceptable by American standards!

Funny.
Just accept the fact that Trump is going to do things his way. Liberals lost and now it's time to accept it and get behind your new President. Given that he just keeps on winning, it should give you some encouragement that he is picking the right people. You may find that with Trump, you can do more than just afford your repayments.

a reply to: UKTruth

Just accept the fact that Trump is going to do things his way.

How will Trump know how to do things "his way" if his advisers don't know what the hell they're talking about? Nope. We have to hold this President elect and his transition team's feet to the fire, keep paying attention and be vigilant.

Besides, the USA isn't a dictatorship. Carson will have to be confirmed, along with a few other questionable appointees. General (Mad Dog) Mattis, for example, is unqualified, and needs a Congressional waiver. If Trump has half a brain, he's picking his battles, playing the American people and testing his boundaries. Ben Carson will not be confirmed, he's a disposable person, nothing more than a pretty plastic gambling chip on the table.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: UKTruth

Just accept the fact that Trump is going to do things his way.

How will Trump know how to do things "his way" if his advisers don't know what the hell they're talking about? Nope. We have to hold this President elect and his transition team's feet to the fire, keep paying attention and be vigilant.

Besides, the USA isn't a dictatorship. Carson will have to be confirmed, along with a few other questionable appointees. General (Mad Dog) Mattis, for example, is unqualified, and needs a Congressional waiver. If Trump has half a brain, he's picking his battles, playing the American people and testing his boundaries. Ben Carson will not be confirmed, he's a disposable person, nothing more than a pretty plastic gambling chip on the table.

I look forward to Dr Carson's confirmation.

a reply to: UKTruth

Why?

How is the undermining of the current status of US Housing and Urban Development of any interest to you, an unamerican "Brexit" enthusist in the UK? Do you have Wall Street investments at stake in Trump's cronyism?