The elephant in the room, and why you shouldn't trust anything from wikileaks

Let's all agree that corruption, criminal neglect and mishandling of situations exist. And that at least some of the information being dribbled on us is actually legitimate.

julian assange is focused on disrupting the United States. Why not Russia ? North Korea ? China ?

Because, in my humble internet opinion - he is a state actor. The purpose of operations like this is to (in my opinion) disrupt the enemy country by interfering with their political, economic, military or social systems. How much value do non-economic/military state secrets, such as political corruption actually have unless you do something with them. like exposing them to the world one drip at a time and creating a lot of buzz.

Are we to believe that Russia, China and cough (eyes watering, laughing and choking), North Korea - are completely free of corruption and lies to their people?

please.

Maybe it's because out of those countries you named we're the most dangerous.

Clinton News Network (CNN) told the public not to look at the Wiki-leaks e-mails, or we'd be eligible for arrest after Hillary takes control of Amerika.

THEY ARE REAL. You hired by CNN to start this thread?

a reply to: Davood

Maybe China and Russia are not trying to arrest him, keeping him holed up in an embassy?

CTR is out I'm full force today already...must be some good leaks in the podesta leak #12!

The stuff put out by Wikileaks is naturally a product of what has been leaked to Wikileaks. It's hardly any great surprise that nearly all of the leaks come from English-speaking first-world nations with lots of secrets in an 'open society', while very few come from non-English speaking nations with repressive and authoritarian regimes and restricted access to the internet.

The US has been doing this for its entire history (interfering in other peoples business). Wouldn't you want to know whether your elected officials were using your tax dollars in currupt schemes?

The media has been paid. We can no longer have faith in them. Sites like Wikileaks exist because this world super power we call the United States, is essentially policing the world according to their needs and not adhering to the very policies that they try to inforce in foreign lands. The US poses as an angel, while behind it all, they are the worst in the world and should be brought to justice just like they seek to do to others

A more appropriate thread title would be:

The elephant in the room, and why you shouldn't trust anything from The Clintons

No one can reasonably refute the fact that wiki has exposed major corruption throughout the Clinton camp and the entire DNC.
The emails are genuine. Assange isn't making it up.

Those countries obviously have a better understanding of how to use a firewall.

the problem is not the messenger or whatever his motives are, the real issue is the content. Is it false? Is it a lie? Or is it just inconvenient? We see this here all the time. If a low mentality poster doesn't like what he sees, he attacks the messenger. As mods love to say, go after the ball, not the player.

a reply to: Davood

How many civilian deaths has those other countries caused - In the recent past, and modern years?

How many countries have they destabilized lately?

How many of those countries are the richest, most powerful countries in the world?

Oh, and your American Exceptionalism is showing. Russia is NOT more corrupt than the USA, you've just been programmed to be anti-AnythingExceptAmericanCorporatism.

Thanks, but I don't see an elephant.

originally posted by: Agent365
The US has been doing this for its entire history (interfering in other peoples business). Wouldn't you want to know whether your elected officials were using your tax dollars in currupt schemes?

The media has been paid. We can no longer have faith in them. Sites like Wikileaks exist because this world super power we call the United States, is essentially policing the world according to their needs and not adhering to the very policies that they try to inforce in foreign lands. The US poses as an angel, while behind it all, they are the worst in the world and should be brought to justice just like they seek to do to others

Good point. When we give million $ to some rebel group in a middle eastern country to provoke them to fight against the regime we deem "bad", and all that is cool, but if anyone tries the same # with us, it's bad, mkay.

originally posted by: Davood
Let's all agree that corruption, criminal neglect and mishandling of situations exist. And that at least some of the information being dribbled on us is actually legitimate.

julian assange is focused on disrupting the United States. Why not Russia ? North Korea ? China ?

Because, in my humble internet opinion - he is a state actor. The purpose of operations like this is to (in my opinion) disrupt the enemy country by interfering with their political, economic, military or social systems. How much value do non-economic/military state secrets, such as political corruption actually have unless you do something with them. like exposing them to the world one drip at a time and creating a lot of buzz.

Are we to believe that Russia, China and cough (eyes watering, laughing and choking), North Korea - are completely free of corruption and lies to their people?

please.

The thing is, the corruption of China or Russia has been widely discussed and aired for decades. North Korea is already worldwide a pariah. It's the US which claims it is incorruptible and a hero of democracy and freedom. It is the US that is using this as a cover for all kinds of interventionist foreign policy.

originally posted by: Davood

Are we to believe that Russia, China and cough (eyes watering, laughing and choking), North Korea - are completely free of corruption and lies to their people?

please.

Nope, North Korea is free of Internet, so you can't hack anything

Really ??? Have a GOOD look at your country , it's falling apart due to the Elite. IT IS CORRUPT TO THE BONE dont need wikileaks to confirm that.

The reason why he doesn't go after those countries could be as simple as him not being fluent in Chinese, Russian or Korean. Add the fact that the United States is a superpower with the ability to greatly influence international relations, and it's easy to understand why Assange primarily focuses on it.

a reply to: Davood

Your argument doesn't really hold up.

Just because those countries exist and probably do have corruption etc, doesn't mean Assange has leaked gov documents to back up those claims.

He's releasing information other people gave him. Wikileaks isn't doing any hacking, they are an aggregate. If people sent him corruption information about those countries, then wikileaks would publish it.

As it has, numerous times on it's website, related to international affairs. There's actually for more about other countries at wikileaks than there is on America.

~Tenth

a reply to: Davood

Trust nobody, far to many secrets.

Which is not to say you should not read and research the material and draw your own conclusion.

End of the day one mans truth is another mans lie anyway, perspective being the double edged sword that it is.

originally posted by: carewemust
Clinton News Network (CNN) told the public not to look at the Wiki-leaks e-mails, or we'd be eligible for arrest after Hillary takes control of Amerika.

THEY ARE REAL. You hired by CNN to start this thread?

Yep, and yesterday they called the veritas video just bar talk - so I guess we should ignore it.

Then later they had on a congressmen to talk about the debate, but just after he mentioned wikileaks his satellite feed cut off - coincidence I'm sure.

originally posted by: Agent365
Wouldn't you want to know whether your elected officials were using your tax dollars in currupt schemes?

If we're truly interested in full, 100% disclosure from Presidential candidates, then it certainly would be nice if we got a bunch of wikileaks on Trump too.

So far, the leaks on Clinton haven't amounted to much. There appears to be no smoking gun. Most of the stuff touted by the alt-right media has turned out to be nonsense upon further investigation. The big exception to this in my mind is the million dollar gift to Bill from Qatar.

What I also find interesting is that Hillary's unsecure server was apparently more secure than the one used by the State Department and the DNC. How come nobody comments on that?