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Polls: Dramatic inflection point Trump falling 6 to 12 pts in just 5 days after 2nd debate.

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posted on Oct, 13 2016 @ 08:04 AM
Cooking the numbers is what I see. If you want to steal an election you have to play with the numbers ahead of time so a huge glaring discrepancy doesn't make such a big outcry they redo the votes.

But think this time it aint going to work. Trump draws enormous crowds at his rallies and is the only president candidate that speaks out on issues and reveals the corruption that Kennedy was assassinated after alluding to.

Sorry, those numbers are fake.

posted on Oct, 13 2016 @ 08:47 AM

originally posted by: jellyrev
a reply to: Greggers

Its not a sample of a population if the sample does not match the population. It destroys the validity of any sample. Any psychologist, sociologist or statitiscian would tell you this.

Thats why we use scientific polls not internet ones, because they attempt to create a representative sample

It is a sample of the population if the statistical rules were followed for drawing a random sample.

Were you quoting an online poll? Obviously online polls are BS.

posted on Oct, 13 2016 @ 05:23 PM
a reply to: Willtell

Dear Willtell,

Of course Trump wants to win the election, at any cost, he does not care to lie, to pay false witnesses, to do all what he can to get the white house because he has a lot to explain to the IRS and he knows only the Presidency can shield him of them.

It is Childish and no sense, almost insane, to deny the impact of he last revelations in the general public opinion against the image of this so dirty Tycoon.

There so serious organizations with a polls certifying that there is drastic change in the voting decision against Trump happened in the last week.

These are actual national polls, carried out by responsible agencies, even by international ones that don't have any side in this election:

Reuters/Ipsos, from October 12th, gives 7 points of advantage to Clinton.

Ramussen Reports, from October 12th, gives 4 points of advantage to Clinton.

The Atlantic/PRRI, from October 11th, gives 11 points of advantage to Clinton.

Fox News, from October 12th, gives 7 points of advantage to Clinton,

You gov, from October 11th, gives 5 points of advantage to Clinton,

It is not true that the polls that are showing Clinton leading all come from before the debate, that is misinformation spread by the people of Trump here in ATS.


The Angel of Lightness

posted on Oct, 13 2016 @ 05:32 PM
a reply to: olaru12

Well dear olaru,

NBC most recent poll in the national sphere is showing that Clinton is leading, right now, with fresh numbers 8 points over Trump.

Among all the other remaining polls of national scope, not the ones carried out for each State, there is only one that shows a really tied behavior in the numbers, but even that one is showing Clinton leading by almost half of point over Trump.

That is the poll of USC Dornsife/Los Angeles Times, in which both candidates appear over 44 % of the popular support.

Here it is my source:

Check the links I have published, they are really serious polling agencies, there is nothing below the table here, all is clearly stated, in spite of whoever likes or not the results on them.


The Angel of Lightness

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posted on Oct, 13 2016 @ 05:42 PM
a reply to: Unity_99

Trump is abusing righteous causes.

He’s muddying them up, not giving them a good name.

Absolutely playing into the very hands of the people he claims he’s against

He's an arch deceiver

posted on Oct, 13 2016 @ 05:48 PM
a reply to: kurthall

Well Dear Kurthall,

If the problem would be that Trump is Moron that could be easily fixed, by surrounding him with good advisers that take decision for him, but that is precisely the point here, he is not stupid at all, to the contrary he has a good IQ but he wants to use it in a dishonest way to take advantage of almost everybody.

A Person with his lack of ethical values can't be in the White house without creating a so serious mess for the nation and the world, he easily can start a giant racketeering operation just speculating with assets needed to win a war, he can declare a war to Mexico for the border, He can target all the Muslims of the country making them automatically sympathetic of our enemies abroad, He can also start to tolerate rape and many other sexual abusive misconducts putting in risk the very foundation of our society, he can also use the power to try to twist laws and make easier for the scammers to trick and trap a lot of people in their operations.

Here another poll, this time NBC/ Wall street Journal of the last 24 hours, showing that Clinton is well ahead with 9 points over Trump.


The Angel of Lightness

posted on Oct, 14 2016 @ 12:48 PM
a reply to: Byrd

Well Dear Byrd,

It is a myth that Trump represents genuinely the conservative way of thinking in the election , He never along his entire career be really conservative at all, neither politically nor in the values that rule his life.

How can be conservative a person that has been marriage up to three times?

With subsequent two divorces and he is still harassing younger women?

How can be a conservative a person that is not even getting any official endorsement or support of the Evangelical union of Churches?

How can be a conservative a politician that is trying to make us believe that sexual harassment in the labor scene is perfectly acceptable? as the videos have been disclosed clearly shows is his way to think and to act?

How can be a conservative a person that is accepting endorsement of white supremacist groups like Ku Klux Klan that were fierce opponents of the civil rights movement leaded by great Protestant figures like Martin Luther King Jr?

How can be a conservative who is saying that if he becomes elected President He will defend legalization of Marihuana and at the same time forbidden vaccination since he believes it produce autism? is he really concerned mental health or just to get votes at any cost? ?

There is No more radical liberal running for Presidency in this election than Donald Trump, he is rejected by truly conservative Republicans like Mit Romney, George H Bush, George W Bush and Ted Cruz.

Trump is however not a democratic Liberal, what is what makes him so dangerous for the country, he is not willing to play inside the rules of Democracy, he wants to be the American Robespierre, to cut the neck of the free Press in this country, that is a fundamental right respected by many Liberals.

Sandra Mims Rowe, the chairman of CPJ’s board, said in a statement that Trump consistently betrays First Amendment values. She also noted that her organization passed a resolution on Oct. 6 declaring him an “unprecedented threat to the rights of journalists” and their ability to advocate for press freedom throughout the world.

“Since the beginning of his candidacy, Trump has insulted and vilified the press and has made his opposition to the media a centerpiece of his campaign. Trump has routinely labeled the press as ‘dishonest’ and ‘scum’ and singled out individual news organizations and journalists,” she said.

Please read:

There were Liberal Republicans in the past, like Abraham Lincoln, Nelson Rockefeller or Gerald Ford, but they were extremely respectful of democracy and its principles, not willing to be a kind of Juan Domingo Peron of America! This is not conservatism, neither democratic liberalism, Trump is a Populist, in the same line of well known fascists he admires like Benito Mussolini.


The Angel of Lightness

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posted on Oct, 14 2016 @ 01:03 PM
a reply to: ladyinwaiting

Well dear ladyinwaiting,

To describe Trump as a Narcissist is really pretty interesting, certainly he is a kind of person that wants to be idolized by his fans, he wants to always be the center of the attention of millions, He also believe that he can do things that are bad for anybody else, but that in his case are pretty acceptable, like to be caught in a video commenting different ways to harass sexually his own workers, and then never apologize really, just only say that he was not very proud of such comments, what is that? that is something really to be embarrassed and terribly repented, that is the correct way to ask for forgiveness of a really sensate person.

However, I don't think he is just a narcissist leader, he goes well beyond that point, he is who believes that can manipulate people under any circumstance, he has trained himself in extremely powerful hypnotic techniques, collective hypnosis of masses. That is what makes Trump so much dangerous, because he knows how to enter in the subconscious mind of millions and become absolutely owner of their will.

There is a thread in which we have commented extensively that phenomenon, the ability of Donald Trump to hypnotize using his soft town of voice and the motion of his hands, his well known hands that he always needs to show in public a lot, because he uses them very well to hypnotize naïve people, people that commit the mistake to trust him.

I have talk with people that were supporters of Trump in the first stage of his campaign but them moved away from him and the agree that his way to talk really sink the people in deep really deep state of trance, he can make you see a white elephant aside him that only exist in your imagination excited by his rhetoric.

Here is that thread about that:

Of course Trump is not the first one in to use such techniques to manipulate multitudes, Hitler was expert on that even before he was born.

Thanks for your attention,

The Angel of Lightness

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posted on Oct, 17 2016 @ 06:38 PM
a reply to: Willtell

Well Dear Willtell,

Donald Trump will tell what ever he feels is electoral popular in order to get the millions of persons that are not yet decided to vote, since he is aware the ones are already aligned are not going to change his intention of vote for what they have seen in the debates.

So, he can embrace causes that are possibly fair in order to make up the ugliness of his racism, of his dishonesty in business practices, his multiple scamming scandals, his six bankruptcies, the two decades of no payment of taxes, the false University he used to take the money of thousands of students in California and New York, the many real state projects in which he took money of investors abusively to don't give them what he promised, as well as the many providers or subcontractors he never paid.

He is a very smart person to manipulate the hope of extremely needed people, uneducated people that are looking for the redemption of their poverty, the unemployed or subemployed Americans.


The Angel of Lightness

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