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Psalms 119:140 Thy word is very pure: therefore thy servant loveth it.
But you and those like you are not simple, but see yourself as the standard by which to judge God as incapable of preserving his words to every generation as promised in Ps 12:6, 7, and judge his inspired words to Paul as wickedness and foolishness. But as God by inspiration has preserved He says,
1 Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Matrixsurvivor
The word of God is the basis upon which a man can stand. If the word of God is not true, pure, whole, inspired of God and without error then all you have to stand on is shifting sands of yours and men interpretations as to what God's words are and are not, thereby making yourself god in God's place to make his words what you want it to be, mean and say and not what he has preserved it to be, mean and say.
Maybe you should go to the fundamental section for your fundamental belief is showing in your man made doctrine in denying God's words as true and pure every one of them
originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Matrixsurvivor
All the word of God, the Holy Bible are Jesus Words.
But then you don't believe John or Paul when it comes to that fact.
Again you become god to say what is true and what is not in the bible not believing God is able to keep his word to preserve his words to all generations FOREVER.
Again you become god to say what is true and what is not in the bible not believing God is able to keep his word to preserve his words to all generations FOREVER
Quick Comparison of Bible Versions It is often said that all Bible versions are basically the same, that their differences are just minor wording changes. Read the following comparison between the King James Version and the best-selling modern Bible translation, the New International Version, and then decide for yourself whether or not this is true. We have added bold text to assist the reader in recognizing changes.
I am not a fundamentalist as you are. Your fundamental beleif I am a fundamental is flawed.
I am a Preserved Bible believer.
Do you, or Matrix, or Malocchi or anyone that fundamentally believes as you do, would truly know that faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God?
Do you not realize that the faith of the woman who was healed of her infirmity was not acting in faith of hearing the word of God, but by what she heard about Jesus being able to heal, the same of the blind men, the lepers et al. Many heard Jesus speak not as a scribe but as of one with authority.
You all think you have something special but Jesus never once told you faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God. And if at this point you want to point out that Jesus is the Word (John 1:2, 3, 1John 5:7, Rev 19:13 ) because then it goes against all you and the others have already said, Jesus is not God.
So why do you all think you can use the word of God to support your blasphemies, your false accusations against Paul and still be saved. Faith cometh by hearing the word of God not by your twisting and blaspheming the word of God.
Get rid of Paul and you get rid of faith by the hearing of the word of God. Jesus never taught that faith cometh by hearing the word of God, he taught them to obey the law part of the word of God, but not in the way the Pharisees, Sadducees, the scribes or the religious elite did, but by the heart to follow the law as laid down to Moses.
When asked how to inherit eternal life he said to follow the commandments, then asked which one, then he replied all I have kept. Jesus told him to sell all and take up his cross. Not take up the word of God. Jesus whole ministry is around Israel and the law not one of false appearance in obedience but one of heart obedience.
I am not programmed I was a rebel in my seminarian education, frowned on by my religious elite instructors and only got my doctorate because they could not deny it because of my grades But if they could they would not have even given me it.
No my friend you will not find many like me because few that be that find it and narrow is the way.
You and your fundamentalist friends
May God give you grace, not by the law but by faith if you will hear ALL the word of God and that includes the writings of Paul. For without him and his writings you have no faith cometh by hearing the word of God. You have only keep the commandments, repent and be baptized in the name of the Father the Son and the holy Ghost and no Holy Ghost will be given you without the laying on of hands.
Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God.
Not by making yourself god to say what is and is not the word of God, and surely not by blaspheming the word of God as you all have.
originally posted by: Matrixsurvivor
a reply to: ChesterJohn
Well...you got that right...the way is narrow (which would be those pesky commandments that Jesus said you are supposed to follow....that your hero Paul did away with).
Our faith in the ransom sacrifice of Christ makes it possible for us not to be slaves of sin, that is, not to be completely controlled by it. This means that even though we are still imperfect, we choose to obey Jehovah and Jesus as our Masters. Paul explained this clearly in one of his letters. He said: “Reckon yourselves to be dead indeed with reference to sin but living with reference to God by Christ Jesus.” Then he warned: “Do you not know that if you keep presenting yourselves to anyone as slaves to obey him, you are slaves of him because you obey him, either of sin with death in view or of obedience with righteousness in view? But thanks to God that you were the slaves of sin but you became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching to which you were handed over. Yes, since you were set free from sin, you became slaves to righteousness.” (Romans 6:11, 16-18) Notice that Paul says that we should be “obedient from the heart.” So when we dedicate ourselves to God, we become “slaves to righteousness.”
5. What must we all fight against, and why?
5 As dedicated slaves of God, we have two battles we must fight. The first one is our own imperfection. Paul too had this fight. He said: “I really delight in the law of God according to the man I am within, but I behold in my members another law warring against the law of my mind and leading me captive to sin’s law that is in my members.” (Romans 7:22, 23) Because we are imperfect, we must keep fighting against our fleshly desires, that is, human desires to do things that God does not like. The apostle Peter urged us: “Be as free people, and yet holding your freedom, not as a blind for badness, but as slaves of God.”—1 Peter 2:16.
Is anything more than faith needed in order to gain salvation?
Eph. 2:8, 9, RS: “By grace [“undeserved kindness,” NW] you have been saved through faith; and this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God—not because of works, lest any man should boast.” (The entire provision for salvation is an expression of God’s undeserved kindness. There is no way that a descendant of Adam can gain salvation on his own, no matter how noble his works are. Salvation is a gift from God given to those who put faith in the sin-atoning value of the sacrifice of his Son.)
Heb. 5:9, RS: “He [Jesus] became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him.” (Italics added.) (Does this conflict with the statement that Christians are “saved through faith”? Not at all. Obedience simply demonstrates that their faith is genuine.)
Jas. 2:14, 26, RS: “What does it profit, my brethren, if a man says he has faith but has not works? Can his faith save him? For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so faith apart from works is dead.” (A person does not earn salvation by his works. But anyone who has genuine faith will have works to go with it—works of obedience to the commands of God and Christ, works that demonstrate his faith and love. Without such works, his faith is dead.)
Acts 16:30, 31, RS: “‘Men, what must I do to be saved?’ And they [Paul and Silas] said, ‘Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.’” (If that man and his household truly believed, would they not act in harmony with their belief? Certainly.)
It is so clear you do not even know what you are talking about when it comes to scriptures.
Like I said you don't believe them to be true, preserved by God, without corruption and you expect me to see your point of view?
You fail to see the truth and you will always fail to see the truth.
eliminate Paul and you eliminate any chance of salvation by faith in Christ
Faith cometh by Hearing the words of God. You have destroyed he words of God, selfishly pick and choose what YOU want to be God's words, and thereby effectively ruin any chance of ever coming to faith because you don't have the entirety of Gods words which must be heard in order to have faith.
Jesus Christ’s Example. Jesus Christ is the finest example of modesty. He told his disciples that he could not do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he beheld the Father doing, and that his Father is greater than he is. (Joh 5:19, 30; 14:28) Jesus refused to accept titles not due him. When a ruler called him “Good Teacher,” Jesus replied: “Why do you call me good? Nobody is good, except one, God.” (Lu 18:18, 19) And he told his disciples that as slaves to Jehovah they should not feel puffed up, either over things accomplished in God’s service or because of their worth to God. Rather, they should have the attitude, when they had done all the things assigned to them, that “we are good-for-nothing slaves. What we have done is what we ought to have done.”—Lu 17:10.
Additionally, the Lord Jesus Christ, as a perfect man on earth, was superior to his imperfect disciples and also possessed great authority from his Father. Yet, in dealing with his disciples, he was considerate of their limitations. He employed delicacy in training them and propriety of speech toward them. He did not put upon them more than they could bear at the time.—Joh 16:12; compare Mt 11:28-30; 26:40, 41.
Synonyms for righteous
adj good, honest
Why did Jesus refuse to be called “Good Teacher,” and what profound truth did he thereby affirm?
5 Jehovah is also unique in his goodness. Not long before Jesus died, a man approached him to ask a question, addressing him with the words “Good Teacher.” Jesus replied: “Why do you call me good? Nobody is good, except one, God.” (Mark 10:17, 18) Now, that response may strike you as puzzling. Why would Jesus correct the man? Was not Jesus, in fact, a “Good Teacher”?
6 Evidently, the man was using the words “Good Teacher” as a flattering title. Jesus modestly directed such glory to his heavenly Father, who is good in the supreme sense. (Proverbs 11:2) But Jesus was also affirming a profound truth. Jehovah alone is the standard for what is good. Only he has the sovereign right to determine what is good and what is bad. Adam and Eve, by rebelliously partaking of the tree of the knowledge of good and bad, sought to assume that right themselves. Unlike them, Jesus humbly leaves the setting of standards to his Father.
7 Moreover, Jesus knew that Jehovah is the source of all that is truly good. He is the Giver of “every good gift and every perfect present.” (James 1:17)
And he told his disciples that as slaves to Jehovah they should not feel puffed up, either over things accomplished in God’s service or because of their worth to God.