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Did Paul Invent Christianity?

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posted on Nov, 22 2016 @ 12:55 AM
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Don't start with the whole there's no "J" in the Hebrew language routine when you've just used the name Jesus without complaint. There's no "Y", "H", or "W" either in the ancient Hebrew language the Hebrew Scriptures were written in cause they didn't use the Roman Alphabet we now use. And the writers who wrote the Greek Scriptures used an "i" instead of "j", it was pronounced the same way as the "j" in "Hallelujah" nowadays by English speaking people. I've said enough about that in various threads.
Jesus taught people to love and worship Jehovah. He declared at Mark 12:29, 30:

29 Jesus answered: “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel, Jehovah* our God is one Jehovah, 30 and you must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind and with your whole strength.’

Luke 4:8:

8 In reply Jesus said to him: “It is written, ‘It is Jehovah* your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’”

The Divine Name King James Bible, Luke 4:8:

8And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the LORD, ( Jehovah Deu 6:13; Deu 10:20 ) thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Mark 12:29,30:

And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The LORD( Jehovah Deu 6:4 ) our God is one Lord: 30 And thou shalt love the LORD( Jehovah Deu 6:5; Jos 22:5 ) thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

Back to the NW:

Matthew 22:37

37 He said to him: “‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.’

Luke 10:27

27 In answer he said: “‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole strength and with your whole mind’ and ‘your neighbor as yourself.’”


Only sharing this video for the first 4 minutes:






The Fight Against God’s Name: Awake!—2004

According to Biblical usage, “jealousy” may be a positive or a negative quality or emotion. (Pr 14:30; Zec 1:14) The Hebrew noun qin·ʼahʹ variously means “insistence on exclusive devotion; toleration of no rivalry; zeal; ardor; jealousy [righteous or sinful]; envying.” The Greek zeʹlos has a similar meaning.—2Co 11:2; 12:20.

Jehovah’s Jealousy. Jehovah describes himself as “a God exacting exclusive devotion.” (Ex 20:5, ftn; De 4:24; 5:9; 6:15) He also says: “Jehovah, whose name is Jealous, he is a jealous God.” (Ex 34:14) Over what and with what kind of jealousy? Not with the envious, selfish jealousy of humans. It is a jealousy, a zeal or ardor for his holy name, concerning which he himself says: “I will show exclusive devotion for my holy name.”—Eze 39:25.

For his name. When one considers what God’s name stands for, the reason for his “insistence on exclusive devotion” becomes clear. (Eze 5:13) His name represents all that is right and righteous. He is holy, clean, upright, loyal in the superlative degree. (Isa 6:3; Re 4:8; 16:5) His sovereignty is necessary to the existence of the universe, and allegiance to his sovereignty and laws is essential to the order and peace of all creation. (Pr 29:2; 1Co 14:33) His jealousy is therefore a pure, clean jealousy and is altogether for the benefit of his creatures, as their devotion brings him—the Creator, Provider, and Giver of all good things—no profit. (Job 41:11; Ps 145:16; Ro 11:35; Jas 1:17; Re 4:11) But in his devotion to righteousness his heart is made glad with loving appreciation when his servants stand firm for righteousness and give exclusive devotion to him.—Pr 23:15, 16; 27:11.

Those serving God can rely on him to establish righteousness, being confident in his zeal for his name. He illustrated his zeal in his dealings with ancient Israel, and he tells us of the destruction of earthly governments and the establishment of the government of the Prince of Peace with justice and righteousness, saying: “The very zeal of Jehovah of armies will do this.”—Isa 9:6, 7; Zep 3:8, 9.
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Bible accounts of faithful servants of Jehovah teach us what qualities are beautiful to him. For example, David demonstrated zeal for God’s name. (1 Sam. 17:45, 46)

Sources: Jealous, Jealousy: Insight, Volume 1 and How Do I Appear to Jehovah?
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posted on Nov, 22 2016 @ 01:27 AM
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29 Jesus answered: “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel, Jehovah* our God is one Jehovah,



Sh'ma Yisra'eil Adonai Eloheinu Adonai echad.
Hear, Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is One.

Your translation doesn't make sense grammatically




posted on Nov, 22 2016 @ 01:56 AM
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a reply to: Akragon
The word "adonai" is not used in the original commandment that Jesus was quoting. The evidence (archeology, manuscripts, dead sea scrolls, etc.) from the Hebrew Scriptures and history is clear on that point. So to use the word "lord" in your translation is inexcusable from my perspective. I have no interest in getting caught up in a debate with "profitless talkers" and "deceivers of the mind", or even risking it. So I'll keep it at that, no offence in case you aren't one of those (in other words I'm not accusing or judging you that you are, merely considering the possibility because of your blatant disregard of what the Hebrew originally said and what the evidence proves beyond any reasonable doubt for me). Not much dissimilar as the Trinitarian translators of The Divine Name King James Bible, who like to pretend they honor God's name Jehovah (Hebrew: Yehowah, after transliteration to the Roman Alphabet) and are honest about the subject when they continue to conflate that name with the title "lord" (Hebrew: adonai), for the obvious game of conflation and confusion with the Lord Jesus Chirst who was appointed as Lord and King by Jehovah God, the sovereign Lord of the universe.

With it you're also dissing the following translations of Deuteronomy 6:4 (with your sneaky usage of the terminology "their bible" to influence people's thinking as well, it's all quite suspicious what you're doing):

ASV, Darby Bible Translation and YLT. Which all say the same thing: "Jehovah our God is one Jehovah"

And by the way, this was what Matrixsurvivor said and what I was responding to:

If the name of YHWH was SO important....don't ya think Jesus might have just mentioned it once?

And what was Jesus reply when asked what the first (or "most important") commandment was? See Mark 12:29,30 in an honest translation of the bible for a change, just for a change of scenery and a bit less demonstration of 2 Timothy 4:3,4 please. Otherwise try Deuteronomy 6:4,5 that Jesus was quoting from.
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posted on Nov, 22 2016 @ 02:08 AM
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a reply to: whereislogic


The word "adonai" is not used in the original commandment that Jesus was quoting. The evidence (archeology, manuscripts, dead sea scrolls, etc.) from the Hebrew Scriptures and history is clear on that point. So to use the word "lord" in your translation is inexcusable from my perspective.


Some sects of said religion thought it inappropriate to use the name of God...

In any case said name wasn't Jehovah...




posted on Nov, 22 2016 @ 02:28 AM
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a reply to: whereislogic

What is the relation between Latin and Hebrew?




posted on Nov, 22 2016 @ 08:45 AM
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originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

Their bible has him using Jehovah...



Lovely. Which Bible would that be, lol?
Are you enjoying your thread Akragon?



posted on Nov, 22 2016 @ 08:55 AM
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a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

no you are selfishly picking and choosing what is and is not the word of God in your opinion without any faith that God can preserve his word as promised and thereby effectively making yourself god in His place.

thereby you have an enormous faith, faith not coming from hearing the word of God, but by your own design.



posted on Nov, 22 2016 @ 01:05 PM
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originally posted by: Matrixsurvivor

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

Their bible has him using Jehovah...



Lovely. Which Bible would that be, lol?
Are you enjoying your thread Akragon?


Of course



That would be the New world Translation... JW bible




posted on Nov, 22 2016 @ 05:03 PM
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originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

no you are selfishly picking and choosing what is and is not the word of God in your opinion without any faith that God can preserve his word as promised and thereby effectively making yourself god in His place.

thereby you have an enormous faith, faith not coming from hearing the word of God, but by your own design.



Chester....you sound like a broken record. You can't even address any of the points brought up in this HUGE thread. It's the same 5 things over and over again. Try rebutting the points made by me, and the others. You can't. It's the same ole same ole.



posted on Nov, 22 2016 @ 05:05 PM
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originally posted by: Akragon

originally posted by: Matrixsurvivor

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

Their bible has him using Jehovah...


Of course



That would be the New world Translation... JW bible





Ahhhh...."whereislogic" is a JW? Oky Doke.


You know what we need on for an emoji on this site? The one with their head banging on their computer key board, lol.

They definitely need better emoji's here. (grin)


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posted on Nov, 22 2016 @ 11:15 PM
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originally posted by: Matrixsurvivor

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

Their bible has him using Jehovah...



Lovely. Which Bible would that be, lol?
Are you enjoying your thread Akragon?


As I demonstrated the Divine Name King James Bible also uses Jehovah in the verses I quoted (and it isn't the only one, another example could be the Aramaic Bible in Plain English). And Jesus was quoting from the Hebrew Scriptures anyway so anyone pretending he said "lord" instead of "Jehovah" (bible translators) is making Jesus out as your common Trinitarian or superstituous Jew misquoting the Scriptures and refusing to use God's name. Here's some commentary from bible scholars and translators that are also Trinitarians that know full well that Jesus used the name "Jehovah" (Hebrew after transliteration to the Roman Alphabet: "Yehowah") but plug in the word, title and noun "lord" anyway, even though the Hebrew word for "lord" (adonai, again, after transliteration) is nowhere to be found* in the Hebrew Scriptures that are quoted (I'll just do Mark 12:29,30). Hiding in plain sight (you really want to wake up to what you might refer to as "The Matrix"?). *: I'm not talking about altered Hebrew documents where God's name has been replaced with the Hebrew words for "God" and "lord". But there's a lot less debate about that (the Divine name in the Hebrew Scriptures a.k.a. "the Old Testament" which is one of the reasons you'll find "Jehovah" at Deut 6:4 in the ASV, Darby and YLT).
Mark 12:29 Commentaries:

Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary

Hear, O Israel; the Lord our God is one Lord—This every devout Jew recited twice every day, and the Jews do it to this day; thus keeping up the great ancient national protest against the polytheisms and pantheisms of the heathen world: it is the great utterance of the national faith in One Living and Personal God—"One Jehovah!"
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Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible

"Jehovah, "our God, Jehovah"; these are, , "three degrees" (or persons) with respect to this sublime mystery, "in the beginning, God", or "Elohim, created", &c.''
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"there is an unity which is called Jehovah the first, our God, Jehovah; behold! they are all one, and therefore called one: lo! these three names are as one;

Hold on there mr. Gill..., you only mentioned 1 name, twice (or 4 times if you count the first sentence, btw, "Elohim" is not a name, it's the Hebrew word for the common noun and title "God, gods, a god, etc." depending on the grammatical context, just like the Hebrew word for "lord", adonai, is not a name but a common noun and title like "master, king, god, ruler, teacher, architect, creator, etc."). I'll spare you the other blabla. They all know Jesus said "Jehovah", that's my only point I hope you one day will wake up to. It's not Paul you should be worried about:

...the more learned and quick-sighted men, as Luther, Erasmus, Bullinger, Grotius, and some others, would not dissemble their knowledge.

- Isaac Newton (from An Historical Account of Two Notable Corruptions of Scripture)

They aren't the only ones, Jewish and Islamic scholars and teachers are pretty good at it too. As are unaffiliated teachers and scholars who have something to say about the subject of God including God's name.
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posted on Nov, 23 2016 @ 01:29 AM
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Regarding The Divine Name in the Christian Greek Scriptures in general (not specifically Luke 4:8 or Mark 12:29,30) and The New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures:

Bible scholars acknowledge that God’s personal name, as represented by the Tetragrammaton (יהוה), appears almost 7,000 times in the original text of the Hebrew Scriptures. However, many feel that it did not appear in the original text of the Christian Greek Scriptures. For this reason, most modern English Bibles do not use the name Jehovah when translating the so-called New Testament. Even when translating quotations from the Hebrew Scriptures in which the Tetragrammaton appears, most translators use “Lord” rather than God’s personal name.

The New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures does not follow this common practice. It uses the name Jehovah a total of 237 times in the Christian Greek Scriptures. In deciding to do this, the translators took into consideration two important factors: (1) The Greek manuscripts we possess today are not the originals. Of the thousands of copies in existence today, most were made at least two centuries after the originals were composed. (2) By that time, those copying the manuscripts either replaced the Tetragrammaton with Kyʹri·os, the Greek word for “Lord,” or they copied from manuscripts where this had already been done.

The New World Bible Translation Committee determined that there is compelling evidence that the Tetragrammaton did appear in the original Greek manuscripts. The decision was based on the following evidence:

Copies of the Hebrew Scriptures used in the days of Jesus and his apostles contained the Tetragrammaton throughout the text. In the past, few people disputed that conclusion. Now that copies of the Hebrew Scriptures dating back to the first century have been discovered near Qumran, the point has been proved beyond any doubt.[whereislogic: a.k.a. the Dead Sea scrolls find, in case you're unfamiliar with these archeological finds]

In the days of Jesus and his apostles, the Tetragrammaton also appeared in Greek translations of the Hebrew Scriptures. For centuries, scholars thought that the Tetragrammaton was absent from manuscripts of the Greek Septuagint translation of the Hebrew Scriptures. Then, in the mid-20th century, some very old fragments of the Greek Septuagint version that existed in Jesus’ day were brought to the attention of scholars. Those fragments contain the personal name of God, written in Hebrew characters. So in Jesus’ day, copies of the Scriptures in Greek did contain the divine name. However, by the fourth century C.E., major manuscripts of the Greek Septuagint, such as the Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus, did not contain the divine name in the books from Genesis through Malachi (where it had been in earlier manuscripts). Hence, it is not surprising that in texts preserved from that time period, the divine name is not found in the so-called New Testament, or Greek Scripture portion of the Bible.

The Christian Greek Scriptures themselves report that Jesus often referred to God’s name and made it known to others. (John 17:6, 11, 12, 26) [whereislogic: shared a video with details earlier regarding this piece of evidence and how those demonstrating the behaviour at Jeremiah 23:27 try to dance around the issue] Jesus plainly stated: “I have come in the name of my Father.” He also stressed that his works were done in his “Father’s name.”—John 5:43; 10:25.

Since the Christian Greek Scriptures were an inspired addition to the sacred Hebrew Scriptures, the sudden disappearance of Jehovah’s name from the text would seem inconsistent. About the middle of the first century C.E., the disciple James said to the elders in Jerusalem: “Symeon has related thoroughly how God for the first time turned his attention to the nations to take out of them a people for his name.” (Acts 15:14) It would not be logical for James to make such a statement if no one in the first century knew or used God’s name.

The divine name appears in its abbreviated form in the Christian Greek Scriptures. At Revelation 19:1, 3, 4, 6, the divine name is embedded in the word “Hallelujah.” This comes from a Hebrew expression that literally means “Praise Jah.” “Jah” is a contraction of the name Jehovah. Many names used in the Christian Greek Scriptures were derived from the divine name. In fact, reference works explain that Jesus’ own name means “Jehovah Is Salvation.”

Early Jewish writings indicate that Jewish Christians used the divine name in their writings. The Tosefta, a written collection of oral laws that was completed by about 300 C.E., says with regard to Christian writings that were burned on the Sabbath: “The books of the Evangelists and the books of the minim [thought to be Jewish Christians] they do not save from a fire. But they are allowed to burn where they are, they and the references to the Divine Name which are in them.” This same source quotes Rabbi Yosé the Galilean, who lived at the beginning of the second century C.E., as saying that on other days of the week, “one cuts out the references to the Divine Name which are in them [understood to refer to the Christian writings] and stores them away, and the rest burns.”

Some Bible scholars acknowledge that it seems likely that the divine name appeared in Hebrew Scripture quotations found in the Christian Greek Scriptures. Under the heading “Tetragrammaton in the New Testament,” The Anchor Bible Dictionary states: “There is some evidence that the Tetragrammaton, the Divine Name, Yahweh, appeared in some or all of the O[ld] T[estament] quotations in the N[ew] T[estament] when the NT documents were first penned.” Scholar George Howard says: “Since the Tetragram was still written in the copies of the Greek Bible [the Septuagint] which made up the Scriptures of the early church, it is reasonable to believe that the N[ew] T[estament] writers, when quoting from Scripture, preserved the Tetragram within the biblical text.”

Recognized Bible translators have used God’s name in the Christian Greek Scriptures. Some of these translators did so long before the New World Translation was produced. These translators and their works include: A Literal Translation of the New Testament . . . From the Text of the Vatican Manuscript, by Herman Heinfetter (1863); The Emphatic Diaglott, by Benjamin Wilson (1864); The Epistles of Paul in Modern English, by George Barker Stevens (1898); St. Paul’s Epistle to the Romans, by W. G. Rutherford (1900); The New Testament Letters, by J.W.C. Wand, Bishop of London (1946). In addition, in a Spanish translation in the early 20th century, translator Pablo Besson used “Jehová” at Luke 2:15 and Jude 14, and nearly 100 footnotes in his translation suggest the divine name as a likely rendering. Long before those translations, Hebrew versions of the Christian Greek Scriptures from the 16th century onward used the Tetragrammaton in many passages. In the German language alone, at least 11 versions use “Jehovah” (or the transliteration of the Hebrew “Yahweh”) in the Christian Greek Scriptures, while four translators add the name in parentheses after “Lord.” More than 70 German translations use the divine name in footnotes or commentaries.



posted on Nov, 23 2016 @ 01:44 AM
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What don't you understand brother....

Jehovah is a very new version... latinised version of YHWH...

IF you're so worried about saying the name right, or even using the name... at least use the correct one given by the original people that said religions came from

Im sure you call Christ Jesus as well, but im positive you know that wasn't his name




posted on Nov, 23 2016 @ 02:43 AM
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I am a new member and would like to add a few comments. I have been following this site since it's founding and today I decided to join. I have much history to share with you all. I am an actual blood ancient Hebrew [not a modern Jew] All of what is called the new testament is applied to the tribes only [of the 12] that remained in Jerusalem; the northern tribes had been scatted by the time that Jesus came along.. Christianity came about only after Constantine decided to take the Hebrew teaching and apply his pagan beliefs to it; a co-mingling of belief systems. Constantine's mother believed in the teaching of [Jesus' followers of goodness and kindness to people]. Constantine had a vision whereby he saw a cross in the heavens and that was a sign to him that he would win his battle and formed this new belief system. Jesus never taught judaism, that was a later on invention but followed the law [only given by Moses] He was chastised by the followers of Ba-al at the time in Jerusalem [Pharisees and many different sect that were in that time looking for a Messiah]. At which there were many at that time claiming they were the "one". What is followed these days is NOT even close to what is actually taught in the bible and much of the bible we have has been translated with translations of translations until it is not even recognizable to what was actually written.

There is much mysticism that has been placed into scriptures we see today. There are many scrolls that were excluded from the bible also, they decided to go with what scrolls we see. In other words the king James was picked through with the scrolls that the religious leader wanted in there aka 1611 bible. There are other new testament teaching which do not match up with what is in this book. The bible was hi-jacked [mostly for political reasons] pasteurized and homogenized and wa-la something we find to fight about. I hope to add some real data latter for you to think about and help with these serious discussions on religion .



posted on Nov, 23 2016 @ 03:01 AM
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I would suggest you get your 20 posts and make a thread of your own...

It seems like you have much to say...




posted on Nov, 23 2016 @ 06:21 AM
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Have you not realized yet that it is useless for me to address anything you post concerning the Bible because we cannot stand on the ground that the word of God is true, whole, complete and without error.

You have effectively tied my hands. For if I cannot use the Bible particularly the writings of Paul I cannot address anything. And any attempt to use scriptures gets me the same old responses, "you sound like a broken record, Paul is your god, the bible is your god." after a while one just has to say what you don't believe and leave it at that with no Bible. For unbelief is a sin.

No the broken record is your heart upon which you make yourself higher and put God lower.



posted on Nov, 23 2016 @ 09:34 AM
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For if I cannot use the Bible particularly the writings of Paul I cannot address anything.


Oh, sure you can....like how to reconcile the hundreds of times Paul contradicts Jesus...or the multitude of other points made by me and the others who don't hold to Pauline theology.
The only way you CAN explain Paul's contradictions and circular reasoning, is to say that Jesus or God changed the whole plan and used Paul to take the message, whereby invalidating EVERYTHING Jesus taught. Basically, if Paul's gospel is different, most Christians hold his message to higher esteem than Jesus....and you do, as well.
You also have not once addressed the other various points made regarding Paul (like his boasting about lying to spread the gospel, why everyone in Asia turned away from him (which is the same church (Ephesus) that is located in ASIA, how Paul could subjugate women (when Jesus did not treat them as less), and how Paul could ABROGATE the law (by law, I mean the 10 commandments), when Jesus said the law would not pass until Heaven and Earth were gone (you and I are both still on this big globe, so THAT hasn't happened yet.
Now, does the above give you some starting points to at least TRY and explain??



posted on Nov, 23 2016 @ 06:28 PM
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There are no contradictions in the Bible. Understanding is needed and we cannot have it over night nor is it educated into us. One must remain steadfast in studying the Bible and in prayer to God for understanding and wisdom concerning his word.

You can see where Paul literally expands on the teachings of Jesus. You must remember though the kingdom was postponed for a little while so instead of them entering to what was nigh unto them, Israel is set aside for a bit and Paul is called to go to the Gentiles. Because of this Jesus had to expand his teachings via his appointed apostle Paul. In my following example you will see two of Jesus teachings reflected in Paul's teachings to the church.

Jesus taught

Mr 12:17 And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him.
Lu 10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

Paul taught

Rom 13:1 ¶ Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Ro 13:7 ¶ Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.
8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
So we can see two things Paul expands on paying tribute, taxes and honours to those it is due, this goes beyond just render unto Ceasar, he futhers teaches in depth about loving one another and like Jesus he states that Love fulfills the law. There are a lot more examples of this in Paul's writings that fully agree with Jesus teachings. Yes the Gospels are different but you must study and learn to rightly divide, the differences are there because of the division. They are not there because Paul was a liar or a false Apostle. They are there because God put the different Gospels as needed at each time period and today we are still in the one that Paul testified of the gospel of the grace of God.

But all the words of God are preserved for us today. the English words used in the AV have broad meanings just like the original languages did. If you study the AV bible and the many definitions of the English words you will learn you can teach all the other versions out there without having 350 plus erred Bibles that don't contain all the verses.

Yes hear Jesus but also hear his servant Paul he nor his teachings are what you have been claiming him and them to be.
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posted on Nov, 23 2016 @ 07:24 PM
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originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

There are no contradictions in the Bible. Understanding is needed and we cannot have it over night nor is it educated into us. One must remain steadfast in studying the Bible and in prayer to God for understanding and wisdom concerning his word.

You can see where Paul literally expands on the teachings of Jesus. You must remember though the kingdom was postponed for a little while so instead of them entering to what was nigh unto them, Israel is set aside for a bit and Paul is called to go to the Gentiles. Because of this Jesus had to expand his teachings via his appointed apostle Paul. In my following example you will see two of Jesus teachings reflected in Paul's teachings to the church.

Jesus taught

Mr 12:17 And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him.
Lu 10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

Paul taught

Rom 13:1 ¶ Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Ro 13:7 ¶ Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.
8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
So we can see two things Paul expands on paying tribute, taxes and honours to those it is due, this goes beyond just render unto Ceasar, he futhers teaches in depth about loving one another and like Jesus he states that Love fulfills the law. There are a lot more examples of this in Paul's writings that fully agree with Jesus teachings. Yes the Gospels are different but you must study and learn to rightly divide, the differences are there because of the division. They are not there because Paul was a liar or a false Apostle. They are there because God put the different Gospels as needed at each time period and today we are still in the one that Paul testified of the gospel of the grace of God.

But all the words of God are preserved for us today. the English words used in the AV have broad meanings just like the original languages did. If you study the AV bible and the many definitions of the English words you will learn you can teach all the other versions out there without having 350 plus erred Bibles that don't contain all the verses.

Yes hear Jesus but also hear his servant Paul he nor his teachings are what you have been claiming him and them to be.


EXCEPT....Paul conveniently left out that the MOST important thing was to love GOD above everything else. Even Jesus taught that as the FIRST and FOREMOST thing to do.
Paul's whole message was "Christ crucified", which wasn't Jesus' message at all. Paul never even met Jesus (except some voice he said was Him).
You can NOT refute all the discrepancies Paul had...down to his 3 different versions of his conversion on the road to Damascus.
Is that point you made above the only one thing you have that somehow coincides with Jesus??
How can you explain all the multitude of things Paul said that contradict Him?
If Paul say's "love one another", yet curses someone or say's "turn them over to Satan"...then how, Chester, is that love?
Seriously, you have to come up with something better than what you have. Unfortunately, I don't think you can. It's all on blind faith in a "book" that you've been taught is "infallible".



posted on Nov, 23 2016 @ 07:37 PM
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There are many contradictions in the bible Chester....

Don't be fooled by what you've heard





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