(1) "Beyond Reality" and "UFO Update" magazines + (2) Northern UFO News by Jenny Randles (170+ PDFs)

UFO periodicals vary considerably in their quality, appearance, scope, approach and longevity.

As detailed below, the differences in their appearance and scope are illustrated by the latest publications in relation to which I’ve obtained permission to share online as searchable PDFs : on the one hand Harry Belil’s UFO magazines (“Beyond Reality” and “UFO Update!”) and on the other hand “Northern UFO News” by Jenny Randles.

As some of you know, due to my fond (if optimistic…) hope that making UFO source materials available as searchable PDFs may help improve the quality of modern discussions of issues relating to “UFOs”, I’ve recently been making a push to help make various defunct UFO newsletters / magazines / journals freely available online. I recapped relevant links and some background about this little project in my recent thread about the last batch of scanned periodicals (”*11* further sets of early American UFO newsletters now online – Spacecrafter, UFO-mation etc”)

Yet again, most of the scanning has been done by our friends at the AFU in Sweden. About 50 of the “Nothern UFO News” issues were scanned by British ufologist Robert Moore. More details on credits for the various scans are given below.

Harry Belil’s “Beyond Reality” and “UFO Update!”

The "Beyond Reality" magazine, edited and published by Harry Belil, published articles on “the latest discoveries of ESP, the occult and psychic phenomena”.



“Beyond Reality” was published from 1972 until 1980. That magazine included quite a bit of material on UFO sightings. Authors of relevant articles included quite a few names that will be familiar to ufologists, including Brad Steiger, Tim Beckley, Gene Steinberg and Hayden Hewes. (Gene Steinberg has mentioned to me that he typeset issues for about a year and edited issues, with Harry doing the artwork and design).







At least two “Special Issues” of “Beyond Reality” devoted to UFOs were published (both of which are included in the searchable PDF scans at the links below).








Furthermore, a quarterly spin-off publication, “UFO Update!”, was also published and edited by Harry Belil,. As the name suggests, “UFO Update!”,was devoted to “exploring the UFO mystery”. It included items by Stanton Friedman, Brent Raynes, Kal Korff and many others.









Harry Belil has passed away but a member of ATS (“Klassless”) recently mentioned to me that he was friends his Harry in the late 1970s and helped edit his publications as he was a one-man publisher. “Klassless” helpfully gave me some details of Harry’s family. Armed with those details, I was able to quickly track down Harry’s son, Zachary Belil.

Harry Belil’s son, Zachary Belil, has kindly given me permission to make issues of his father’s publications "Beyond Reality" and “UFO Update!” freely available online.

The full current collection of Beyond Reality can be downloaded from this temporary link during the next week:
we.tl...

After this week, or if you only want part of the Beyond Reality collection, all of the issues listed below are on the AFU's website at:
www.afu.se...


The full current collection of "UFO Update!" can be downloaded from this temporary link during the next week:
we.tl...

After this week, or if you only want part of the "UFO Update!" collection, all of the issues listed below are on this part of the AFU's website.

Beyond Reality No 1 (SCANNED BY AFU)
Beyond Reality No 2 (SCANNED BY AFU)
Beyond Reality No 3 (SCANNED BY AFU)
Beyond Reality No 4 (****CURRENTLY MISSING****)
Beyond Reality No 5 (SCANNED BY AFU)
Beyond Reality No 6 (SCANNED BY AFU)
Beyond Reality No 7 (****CURRENTLY MISSING****)
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Beyond Reality No 9 (SCANNED BY AFU)
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Beyond Reality No 11 (SCANNED BY AFU)
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Beyond Reality No 24 (SCANNED BY AFU)
Beyond Reality No 25 (****CURRENTLY MISSING****)
Beyond Reality No 26 (SCANNED BY AFU)
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Beyond Reality No 31 (SCANNED BY AFU)
Beyond Reality No 32 (****CURRENTLY MISSING****)
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Beyond Reality No 41 (SCANNED BY AFU)
Beyond Reality No 42 (****CURRENTLY MISSING****)
Beyond Reality No 43 (SCANNED BY AFU)
Beyond Reality No 44 (****CURRENTLY MISSING****)
Beyond Reality No 45 (SCANNED BY AFU)
Beyond Reality No 46 (SCANNED BY AFU)

Beyond Reality UFO Special Issue (SCANNED BY AFU)
Beyond Reality UFO Special Issue 2 (SCANNED BY AFU)


UFO Update No 1 (SCANNED BY AFU)
UFO Update No 2 (SCANNED BY AFU)
UFO Update No 3 (SCANNED BY AFU)
UFO Update No 4 (SCANNED BY AFU)
UFO Update No 5 (SCANNED BY AFU)
UFO Update No 6 (SCANNED BY AFU)
UFO Update No 7 (SCANNED BY AFU)
UFO Update No 8 (SCANNED BY AFU)
UFO Update No 9 (****CURRENTLY MISSING****)
UFO Update No 10 (SCANNED BY AFU)
UFO Update No 11 (SCANNED BY AFU)

“Northern UFO News” by Jenny Randles

Jenny Randles has kindly given me permission to upload issues of her "Northern UFO News" newsletter.

This publication is not very well known outside the United Kingdom, but many of you will (I hope…) be familiar with the name of Jenny Randles from her research into the Rendlesham Incident and her many books. She is one of the most level-headed UFO researchers you will come across. The first sensible UFO books I bought were by Jenny Randles. I’ve subsequently bought dozens of UFO/fortean books written or co-authored by her. I have found them to be more insightful and cautious than, well, almost any other UFOs books.

Her "Northern UFO News" newsletter was published between 1974 and 2001. Robert Moore had previously scanned 50 issues of Northern UFO News (which he was happy for me to upload). The AFU has now scanned over another 120 issues.

So, we now have searchable scans of over 170 issues out of about a total of about 186.



The current state of play is listed below.

Veteran American ufologist Barry Greenwood has one of the few missing issues (Issue 48) - so hopefully that will also be uploaded soon. I’m hoping that some other researchers will be able to fill in another gap or two.

The full current collection can be downloaded from this temporary link during the next week:
we.tl...

After this week, or if you only want part of the collection, all of the issues listed below are on this part of the AFU's website.





By the way, as I’ve detailed in a previous thread, the AFU in Sweden has also scanned issues of “The New Ufologist” (1994-1997) – which was co-edited by Jenny Randles.

Northern UFO News - No 1 (****CURRENTLY MISSING****)
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Postscript : Rare 2 volume UFO bibliography now online

While working on my little summer project to push for various UFO periodicals to be made freely available online (quite a few more of which will be circulated shortly...), I have found George Eberhart's 2 volume UFO bibliography "UFOs And The Extraterrestrial Contact Movement" (1986) rather useful. I found a lot of details on numerous UFO periodicals in the relevant sections of this publication.

The cheapest copy of these volumes currently available on Amazon has an asking price of US$ 774.18...



Mark Rodeghier and Mary Castner helpfully put me in touch with George Eberhart and, after exchanging a few emails during the last couple of weeks with George Eberhart's publisher (or rather the company that purchased that publisher) and with George, I've obtained permission to make scans of that publication freely available online.

Searchable PDF versions of both volumes of George's bibliography are now on the AFU's website at:
www.afu.se...

Glenn Campbell (a veteran Area 51 researcher) has written the following review of this publication on Amazon:

An extensive bibliography of books, articles, fiction and films on UFOs, alien contactees and related subjects. Published 1986. 15613 entries total, arranged by topic, then alphabetically by author. Each entry includes author, title and publication information, but no synopsis. Sections include unpublished papers, government documents, UFO periodicals, foreign language publications, etc.

LOL, I remember the early days of Ufology. That is as a kid in the 60's when I used to read forbidden books and magazines under the sheets with a flashlight.

All the UFO pics looked like lampshades and tossed garbage can lids.

I had no idea that later, on a dark mountain top, I would be confronted by the real thing.

It didn't appear or behave like anything I had read back then.

I wonder how many of these stories are contrived for purposes of infotainment, to bore everyone to death?

a reply to: IsaacKoi

Wow Isaac!

Terrific work and great info - thanks!

a reply to: IsaacKoi


Humm. I gather that my expose article on Travis Walton in the Winter 1980, No. 5, issue of "UFO Update" has been summarily dismissed for being in that publication. I think it worthy of pointing out that my article was the first one--as far as I know--that detailed the case and suggested that Walton had not been truly abducted, but taken to be healed from his innocently stepping underneath the emissions from the UFO. Since at least 1998 Walton has taken that position, however.

He was sent a copy of that article months before it was published. I did not get a reply. I have no ill will toward him.

originally posted by: Aliensun
I gather that my expose article on Travis Walton in the Winter 1980, No. 5, issue of "UFO Update" has been summarily dismissed for being in that publication. I think it worthy of pointing out that my article was the first one--as far as I know--that detailed the case and suggested that Walton had not been truly abducted, but taken to be healed from his innocently stepping underneath the emissions from the UFO. Since at least 1998 Walton has taken that position, however.

For anyone interested in that article on Travis Walton, Issue 5 of "UFO Update!" is at THIS LINK and the relevant articles begins on page 22.

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Isaac, I have a supply of the old mags, Saga, Argosy MUFON's early Skylook and many of Ray Palmer's old rags from that era. I could not wait for the next issue of his rags as he had the most outrageous materials that kept us young sci-fi fans hanging. I suggest that a critical look at the genre for that era would find him as almost inventor of the MIB stories. That is not to say stifling attempts were not done at that time of UFO witnesses, that certainly was done.

You are doing a wonderful service for the field, an area that some aspect of governments would rather to slip into oblivion.

a reply to: IsaacKoi

If you could make all those titles above clickable links, we could view then easily

a reply to: IsaacKoi
Thanks for this. I always enjoy reading material from the excellent Jenny.

originally posted by: intrptr
I had no idea that later, on a dark mountain top, I would be confronted by the real thing.

It didn't appear or behave like anything I had read back then.

I wonder how many of these stories are contrived for purposes of infotainment, to bore everyone to death?

I've had a similar experience. What I saw was not a saucer and did not behave like the ones in the reports. But it was definitely technological and definitely (based on the technology supposedly around at the time) not a conventional man-made craft.

Very few people I have met in person who have seen one have described saucers.

originally posted by: Aliensun
a reply to: IsaacKoi
I suggest that a critical look at the genre for that era would find him as almost inventor of the MIB stories.

Palmer was pretty much the inventor of the saucer genre if you ask me. He was even linked to Kenneth Arnold if my memory isn't deceiving me.

a reply to: IsaacKoi

S & FLAG IsaaKoi

I remember reading a lot of Jenny Randles stuff back in the day

a reply to: IsaacKoi

Thank you so much for your hard work in bringing the old stuff into the open for old and new minds to digest sources that are no longer available. I'm glad I was of some small help.

I didn't help Harry that much but I was a subscriber and since I had been an editor I found his magazines to really need editing so one day I showed up at his office and I brought my copy of his latest issue that I had edited left and right, up and down and was surprised at Harry's small office with only one "employee" (not sure). I realized that all of my editing efforts were gonna go to waste but I volunteered to do some editing for him and he would add my name at the bottom of the page.

One of the issues you show with the red cover and an article titled: UFOS INVADE SPAIN! has my name.

Besides the magazine credit Harry and I enjoyed many nearby lunches, he always bought, a couple of orgies in his office, and giving me an invitation to James W. Moseley's legendary Christmas parties at James' home in New Jersey where I met many legendary UFO celebrities. At that party, I went into a bedroom to view with others alleged UFO films but someone substituted the film with a pornographic film! What fun!

Wikipedia

James Willett Moseley (August 4, 1931 – November 16, 2012) was an American observer, author, and commentator on the subject of unidentified flying objects (UFOs). Over his nearly sixty-year career, he exposed UFO hoaxes and he engineered hoaxes of his own. He was best known as the publisher of the UFO newsletters Saucer News and its successor Saucer Smear, which became the longest continuously published UFO journal in the world.

originally posted by: mindrape

originally posted by: intrptr
I had no idea that later, on a dark mountain top, I would be confronted by the real thing.

It didn't appear or behave like anything I had read back then.

I wonder how many of these stories are contrived for purposes of infotainment, to bore everyone to death?

I've had a similar experience. What I saw was not a saucer and did not behave like the ones in the reports. But it was definitely technological and definitely (based on the technology supposedly around at the time) not a conventional man-made craft.

Very few people I have met in person who have seen one have described saucers.

Thanks for coming back with your shared experience. I couldn't say what shape the 'thingy' I saw, it was dark and appeared as a blue light, but like you also said it was technological and not from here.

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: mindrape

originally posted by: intrptr
I had no idea that later, on a dark mountain top, I would be confronted by the real thing.

It didn't appear or behave like anything I had read back then.

I wonder how many of these stories are contrived for purposes of infotainment, to bore everyone to death?

I've had a similar experience. What I saw was not a saucer and did not behave like the ones in the reports. But it was definitely technological and definitely (based on the technology supposedly around at the time) not a conventional man-made craft.

Very few people I have met in person who have seen one have described saucers.

Thanks for coming back with your shared experience. I couldn't say what shape the 'thingy' I saw, it was dark and appeared as a blue light, but like you also said it was technological and not from here.

My first sighting in Orange County, California, was of a classic shape reminiscent of the Meier Beamship which is the shape Bob Lazar claims he saw at Area 51. What was burned into my memory and made my arms tremble is that I saw it with binoculars and it was not distant, it was in front of a mountain range and maybe a few hundred feet in the air where it seemed to be riding an invisible ocean behaving as on gentle waves. Every other sighting that I had was magnificent but that first one, oh boy!