Poor and Uneven Sex Ed in US Schools

girls need more self respect, they shouldn't have to put out to the popular boys to keep the hierarchical placing.
boys should be taught masturbation is better, then we could say school is full of wankers.

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: reldra

Pregnancy, teen or otherwise used to be a matter of individual responsibility and liability.

Used to be, it wasn't the business of the state.

Funny little socialist world we're turning into.

If it's a matter of individualism, then the individual should be free to kill the child they can't or don't want to care for, right? If they shouldn't be able to, then you recognize that people are a burden of the state, in which case it's the states business.

Murder is an infringement on another's right.

*Replying to your post from a UK point of view as we have a similar problem here*

originally posted by: dawnstar
I hate to say this but if we actually do have male college students at our most prestigious colleges chanting
"No means yes, yes means anal!"....
I'm sorry but it seems that they didn't learn all they needed to learn on their own!

As I see it the lessons appear to be embarrassingly got over as fast as possible

and with the minimum of information by a teacher who has not had the specialist

qualifacations for doing so! As porn is so easily available most of the males get

their information from there....Not a good source, and which accounts for the male

student behavior you described.

Recently I watched a TV programme where a sex therapist from the Netherlands

was presenting a sex programme that she was trying to get our government to take

on our schools curriculum. Before the programme I was skeptical I thought here we

go again ...... I have to say that I was totally impressed.

All the usual 'cocky' young boy/men 'Casanova's of the play ground' who thought

they knew it all, were subdued and realised that they actually only knew the very

basics. I really hope our schools take the programme on. I wish I had a link for you ....

maybe one of you clever people on here can find one?

Heck, I'd go as far as to say that men who think like that play a good part in unwanted pregnancies and abortions.
but, aren't schools supposed to prepare the kids for adulthood? Isn't that supposed to be the main goal of those 12 years? well, even if you believe that people should wait till they are married to have sex, they will still need to know some basic information for after they get married. ya know, what a std is and how can it be prevented, how to prevent an unwanted pregnancy... and....lol... what the word NO means! and, if the parent's haven't taught their kids by the time they are married, and it seems that some just might be neglecting to do this. well, the if I had a daughter I certainly wouldn't want them learning from any of those frat boys chanting "No means yes, Yes means anal"! on their wedding night!

^^^^^the emphasised^^^^^

And to think I was on a thread that was discussing that the troubles with the

immigrants in Germany meant that there was a need to *teach the young

immigrant Muslim men how to treat women!!*


Perhaps we need to take a leaf out of the Koreans book?

www.worldatlas.com...

originally posted by: DBCowboy
Murder is an infringement on another's right.

Cool, they can just abandon a baby on the sidewalk then. Maybe take it to a fire station. No murder then.

If you're for individualism, you're also for people being able to walk away from their responsibilities. You can only mandate they take responsibility if you give the state that type of power.

a reply to: Aazadan

Granting the state authority is an abdication of rights and responsibilities.

originally posted by: stinkelbaum
girls need more self respect, they shouldn't have to put out to the popular boys to keep the hierarchical placing.
boys should be taught masturbation is better, then we could say school is full of wankers.

The girls usually want it just as much, if not more, than the boys.

You could always just hope people don't have sex, but that's not how people are wired. When that's what's taught you get Georgia.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Aazadan

Granting the state authority is an abdication of rights and responsibilities.

What's wrong with walking away from your responsibilities? In a free society that should always be an option, right?

a reply to: Aazadan

Self determination is taking responsibility. Even if you determine to walk "away".

You won't convince me that giving the state authority over life and parental rights is the right thing to do.

Might as well find another windmill.

originally posted by: stinkelbaum
girls need more self respect,

And boys need more self respect in not expecting a girl to disrespect herself for him!!

They shouldn't have to put out to the popular boys to keep the hierarchical placing.

You're Right They shouldn't be coerced and bullied into doing so.

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: reldra

Not really.

Parents are the biggest way to stop teens from doing what they shouldn't. I'll bet if you look at the numbers, you'll find that most teen mothers come from mothers who were also teen mothers. It's a cycle. Bad behavior begets bad behavior and it's hard to break that cycle.

You break that cycle with consistent and constant role-modeling of good behavior, the idea that there is a choice and alternative to the culture one was raised with.

A semester of hour-a-day courses teaching all the sex positions and how to put condoms on cucumbers won't do that.

I believe it will help. States that teach abstinence only have the highest teen pregnancy rates.

States that teach a comprehensive Sex Ed Course, including abstinence, have the lowest. The statistics are readily available.

I wonder if there is a stronger correlation between poverty and unwanted pregnancy than there is between type of sex education and unwanted pregnancy.

originally posted by: DanDanDat

I wonder if there is a stronger correlation between poverty and unwanted pregnancy than there is between type of sex education and unwanted pregnancy.

Well there's one thing for sure ......

*Poverty* can't make you pregnant .... but

The *Lack of education* (knowledge) CAN!

If the point of sex ed is to teach people how not to get pregnant, then why is there a need to go beyond teaching the base mechanics of sex and conception with a follow up on methods of birth control?

How totally stupid do you have to be to NOT understand the fundamentals of that?

Where is the proof that abstinence only sex ed is the reason for higher teen preggo rates?
As my intro to psych prof said, correlation does not equal causation or else ice cream sales cause murder.

Here is my Hypothesis. States with lower minority populations will have lower teen pregnancy rates. Here is my data to support that.



Now let me find the lowest 10 teen preggo rates by state and their white non-hispanic populations

1. NH 91.5% 7.WI 82.2%
2. VT 93.5% 8. ND 86.6%
3. MN 81.4% 9. NE 80.5%
4. MA 74.3% 10. IA 87.1%
5. UT 79.3% 11. RI 74.5%
6. ME 93.8%



WV is the exception to this rule

A good equation for state teen pregnancy rate is likely (%minority*poverty rate/education level)*constant

tl:dr data is racist.

a reply to: reldra

In my middle school the health teacher from gym class showed us slideshows of the results from multiple STD infections.. atleast 20

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a reply to: dawnstar

The HELL you aren't.
YOU just PLACED meaning where YOU wanted it ,you looney Prog.
I GIVE a damn "WHAT IT SEEMS" like to your trolling ass,It's WHAT I said that counts I SHOULD KNOW I said it

I am surprised by the ignorance of most (not all) of the responses to this post. I expected some push back, some odd responses. But, the ridiculous bulk of responses that are actually unhelpful to the problem is deeply disturbing.

a reply to: jellyrev

I already gave more than enough statistics. Mine have links. Mine have government and scientific links. I am not sure what your post and table is about. It doesn't include the relevant statistics discussed in this OP.

tl:dr People throw up tables without sources or meaning to the topic at hand.

originally posted by: reldra


I am saying it is the business of the state to attempt to reduce teen pregnancy as the outcome is normally a money drain on the state. Why would this be communism?

Exactly. If anything, preventing an increase in state dependent welfare mothers and their future career criminal kids would provide a huge decrease in number of people on every form of welfare and state institution, including the prison system. Since in so many of these cases, teen mama's baby daddy in jail, just like her own daddy.

Teach kids how this life happens and how they can avoid it should be the job of the parents. However, clearly, parents in some areas seem to be failing miserably at this task, so someone's gotta step up to the plate. If the parents won't, then the state needs to, because the parents failure to educate the kids is costing society dearly.

If you don't use bc and your/your partners pull out game is weak, you might become a mother/father.

If you use bc, the chances are reduced, but you still might become a mother/father. It's best advised to use this method while also having a strong pull out game.

If you don't use condoms, you might get something that Ajax won't take off.

If you use condoms, chances are reduced, but you still might get something that Ajax won't take off.

If you're not going to use bc, and your/your partners, pull out game is weak, make sure that you choose a partner who you wouldn't mind spending a lot of time with, in person, or in court.

No partner is worth contracting something that Ajax won't take off.

You don't really need a school to teach this. But what do I know, I've always used condoms, and my pull out game is superb.

I get what you are saying, but I don't think it is the states responsibility to 'fix' teen pregnancy. I think the state is too involved in our lives already. We need less state and more parenting.

When I was in high school we had a mandatory health class. In that class was a segment on sex ed. It focused primarily on the biological aspect, the hows and whys, at first. Then it turned toward a more practical approach of real life application of that knowledge. Part of the lesson was a visit by a professional speaker, an astoundingly beautiful woman in one of the shortest skirts I have ever seen, who gave a speech and demonstration on the use of condoms using a fake...ahem... At the end of her demonstration she sat on the table in the center of the room, crossed her legs, and took questions from the class. Every single guy in that classroom was visibly errrr enthusiastic. I don't know if it was intentional or not, but I remember that whole class like it happened yesterday...

The class ended with the advice: "talk to your parents and/or doctor for more information on how to prevent std's and on the proper use of birth control and which type may be best for you."

I still think that is the right way to address the subject. Thanks to obamacare now everyone can talk to a doctor about this and get real help.

Without trying to sound racist (truth doesn't know color), this issue hits home around where I live with minorities. Especially in the city (Chicago). It seems like everywhere you look there are pregnant minority teens. At some point people will have to face the fact that as long as men can sow their seed with no expectation of consequence - they will. The inner city is one giant failure to accept responsibility, for so many things, including the lives they create. I don't think there is an education that can fix that.