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Poor and Uneven Sex Ed in US Schools

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posted on Aug, 28 2016 @ 04:47 PM
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I was thinking of putting this in political madess, as it is political, but I think it is more of a social issue when I thought about it.

1)Some states only teach 'abstinence only', which simply doesn't work. Their high teen pregnancy rates will show this.
- States that teach 'abstinence only' have the highest rates of teen pregnancy and STDs. The should have their funding pulled until the
education is more complete.
2) Some think that Sex Ed should be taught at home, but that doesn't work either a good amount of the time...see above.
3) Planned Parenthood needs Federal funding, as parents and schools often fail in education.
4) Missguided ideas lead parents to believe specific information will cause ther high school or middle school student to have sex..
it actually happens whether the information is specific, non specific or non existent.

I am the mother of a teenage girl. Though she waited a good 2 years longer than I did (YES!) it was a surprise, nonetheless. I had provided clear information in regard to physical and emotional issues surrounding sex. Talks, books, medical information on the internet. My mother didn't have the internet, but was always provided information to me and when she knew she had lost the battle..she sent me off to Planned Parenthood for birth control.

If after watching this video from John Oliver about the state of sexual education in the US, you disagree with any of the statements above, please explain why.




ONLY 13 states require that the information be medically accurate.

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posted on Aug, 28 2016 @ 04:52 PM
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a reply to: reldra

Screw Math, Science and all that other stuff right?

Let government run schools teach children snip that most learn on their own.


No damn wonder the US spends more in education YET has about the dumbest crop of rocks imaginable as a result......

Sorry but kids aren't as damn dumb as you think when it comes to sex. Perhaps instead of teaching them about dildos and how to put on condoms teaching them about being RESPONSIBLE for their decisions might be a better approach?



posted on Aug, 28 2016 @ 04:53 PM
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a reply to: reldra

Could you link reliable sources for the claims in 1, 2, and 4?

I'm very skeptical.
Thanks.



posted on Aug, 28 2016 @ 05:13 PM
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originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: reldra

Screw Math, Science and all that other stuff right?

Let government run schools teach children snip that most learn on their own.


No damn wonder the US spends more in education YET has about the dumbest crop of rocks imaginable as a result......

Sorry but kids aren't as damn dumb as you think when it comes to sex. Perhaps instead of teaching them about dildos and how to put on condoms teaching them about being RESPONSIBLE for their decisions might be a better approach?



I don't mean that at all. Money is already being given for horrible and imcomplete Sex Ed (state and matching funds). I think it should be good and complete to get the money.

I agree teaching responsibility is part and parcel of this.

Some kids are definitely not as dumb as you think. Some, actually are.



posted on Aug, 28 2016 @ 05:21 PM
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originally posted by: muzzleflash
a reply to: reldra

Could you link reliable sources for the claims in 1, 2, and 4?

I'm very skeptical.
Thanks.


1 is easy. 2 and are opinions, but I would not be the first to say those things.

Highest and lowest teen pregnancy, abstinence only


For example, take the states with the highest and lowest teen pregnancy rates. Mississippi does not require sex education in schools, but when it is taught, abstinence-only education is the state standard. New Mexico, which has the second highest teen birth rate, does not require sex ed and has no requirements on what should be included when it is taught. New Hampshire, on the other hand, requires comprehensive sex education in schools that includes abstinence and information about condoms and contraception.



posted on Aug, 28 2016 @ 05:23 PM
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a reply to: reldra

This is an odd one I just found


4 states require that only negative information on sexual orientation be presented.Alabama, South Carolina, Texas, Utah


All of this is on Wiki, Sex Ed in the US

hhs.gov



The likelihood of sex increases with each school grade level, from 32 percent in ninth grade to 62 percent in 12th grade.[8],[9]Between 2006 and 2008, 14 percent of female adolescents and 25 percent of male adolescents had sex for the first time with someone they had just met or with whom they were “just friends.”[10]

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posted on Aug, 28 2016 @ 05:26 PM
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a reply to: reldra

Parents used to be responsible for their children.

Now we see threads on how government should be doing a better job of raising our children.

SMH



posted on Aug, 28 2016 @ 05:27 PM
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originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: reldra

Screw Math, Science and all that other stuff right?

Let government run schools teach children snip that most learn on their own.


No damn wonder the US spends more in education YET has about the dumbest crop of rocks imaginable as a result......

Sorry but kids aren't as damn dumb as you think when it comes to sex. Perhaps instead of teaching them about dildos and how to put on condoms teaching them about being RESPONSIBLE for their decisions might be a better approach?



I don't mean that at all. Money is already being given for horrible and imcomplete Sex Ed (state and matching funds). I think it should be good and complete to get the money.

I agree teaching responsibility is part and parcel of this.

Some kids are definitely not as dumb as you think. Some, actually are.


I don't thing kids are dumb at all! But when it comes to being actually educated to get in the real world and become responsible adults, that is something parents and the public education system has severely lacked and failed.

For instance when I grew up the first naked lady I saw was from a Penthouse magazine one of the neighbor kids found along the road. Instincts alone taught me not my parents. I had no talk of the birds or bees but yet it wasn't the damn school system I learned from but other kids who's parents didn't give a damn about what the did.

When my daughter was in grade school, I picked her up and brought her to my house. She was doing her home work and came in my room crying because she couldn't figure out her homework, which was "Estimating". Being I have done construction and actually grew up when the schools system actually taught kids important things like math and how to estimate, I for the life of me could NOT figure out what in the hell these idiots were trying to teach her. So I went on the internet and looked up Common Core Estimating......

Let me tell you something! If anybody out there who runs a business used this system to give potential clients quotes for jobs? They would be bankrupt within weeks!!!!

Sorry, but Sex Ed is something our school system has taken way too far and have spent way to GD much money on! All they need to know is how to have safe sex and what causes little babies to come out. No need to toss more money at nothing more than more dumbing down and influencing behaviors that would not have even been thought of in the first place!



posted on Aug, 28 2016 @ 05:30 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: reldra

Parents used to be responsible for their children.

Now we see threads on how government should be doing a better job of raising our children.

SMH



Actually, parents have provided more information over time. Parents in the 50s would likley provide less information than parents today. It is not a question of responsibility, it is more a question of what they were comfortable in sharing, based upon what their parents shared.

Decades ago, it would be more of a threat than information and it did not help any teen pregnancy or std rates.



posted on Aug, 28 2016 @ 05:33 PM
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originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: reldra

Screw Math, Science and all that other stuff right?

Let government run schools teach children snip that most learn on their own.


No damn wonder the US spends more in education YET has about the dumbest crop of rocks imaginable as a result......

Sorry but kids aren't as damn dumb as you think when it comes to sex. Perhaps instead of teaching them about dildos and how to put on condoms teaching them about being RESPONSIBLE for their decisions might be a better approach?



I don't mean that at all. Money is already being given for horrible and imcomplete Sex Ed (state and matching funds). I think it should be good and complete to get the money.

I agree teaching responsibility is part and parcel of this.

Some kids are definitely not as dumb as you think. Some, actually are.


I don't thing kids are dumb at all! But when it comes to being actually educated to get in the real world and become responsible adults, that is something parents and the public education system has severely lacked and failed.

For instance when I grew up the first naked lady I saw was from a Penthouse magazine one of the neighbor kids found along the road. Instincts alone taught me not my parents. I had no talk of the birds or bees but yet it wasn't the damn school system I learned from but other kids who's parents didn't give a damn about what the did.

When my daughter was in grade school, I picked her up and brought her to my house. She was doing her home work and came in my room crying because she couldn't figure out her homework, which was "Estimating". Being I have done construction and actually grew up when the schools system actually taught kids important things like math and how to estimate, I for the life of me could NOT figure out what in the hell these idiots were trying to teach her. So I went on the internet and looked up Common Core Estimating......

Let me tell you something! If anybody out there who runs a business used this system to give potential clients quotes for jobs? They would be bankrupt within weeks!!!!

Sorry, but Sex Ed is something our school system has taken way too far and have spent way to GD much money on! All they need to know is how to have safe sex and what causes little babies to come out. No need to toss more money at nothing more than more dumbing down and influencing behaviors that would not have even been thought of in the first place!


They have spent too much GD money in most states and not given good information. Being a good parent, you provide good information. Not all are like that.

The behaviors are already thought of, think of yourself at the same age. be it 12 or 13 or 14 or 15. You cannot say you didn't think of them. You cannot say 'but, but....my child is different'.

Common core is a totally different topic.
edit on 28-8-2016 by reldra because: (no reason given)

edit on 28-8-2016 by reldra because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 28 2016 @ 05:34 PM
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I have to wonder why Planned Parenthood has to be the educator to teach this though? They make money off of abortions so it would seem to be in their best interest to teach kids how to have sex but not always how best to avoid pregnancy and they certainly aren't in the business of counseling about alternatives to abortion like adoption.

Even if I was entertaining your notion, you shot yourself in the foot when you next leap of logic, and it WAS a leap (they all were), was to say Planned Parenthood was the White Knight ready to ride in a save teens from their lusts.



posted on Aug, 28 2016 @ 05:35 PM
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a reply to: reldra

Pregnancy, teen or otherwise used to be a matter of individual responsibility and liability.

Used to be, it wasn't the business of the state.

Funny little socialist world we're turning into.



posted on Aug, 28 2016 @ 05:38 PM
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a reply to: reldra

Common Core is NOT a totally different topic since you can find sex ed provisions under the guidelines for Common Core because they are tucking it into those standards in many places.



posted on Aug, 28 2016 @ 05:38 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
I have to wonder why Planned Parenthood has to be the educator to teach this though? They make money off of abortions so it would seem to be in their best interest to teach kids how to have sex but not always how best to avoid pregnancy and they certainly aren't in the business of counseling about alternatives to abortion like adoption.

Even if I was entertaining your notion, you shot yourself in the foot when you next leap of logic, and it WAS a leap (they all were), was to say Planned Parenthood was the White Knight ready to ride in a save teens from their lusts.


Planned Parenthood's main business is contraception, education and testing. That is where the majority of their money comes from. My experience with Planned Parenthood has been that. Have you ever been to one?



posted on Aug, 28 2016 @ 05:39 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: reldra

Pregnancy, teen or otherwise used to be a matter of individual responsibility and liability.

Used to be, it wasn't the business of the state.

Funny little socialist world we're turning into.


I am saying it is the business of the state to attempt to reduce teen pregnancy as the outcome is normally a money drain on the state. Why would this be communism?



posted on Aug, 28 2016 @ 05:40 PM
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originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: reldra

Screw Math, Science and all that other stuff right?

Let government run schools teach children snip that most learn on their own.


No damn wonder the US spends more in education YET has about the dumbest crop of rocks imaginable as a result......

Sorry but kids aren't as damn dumb as you think when it comes to sex. Perhaps instead of teaching them about dildos and how to put on condoms teaching them about being RESPONSIBLE for their decisions might be a better approach?



I don't mean that at all. Money is already being given for horrible and imcomplete Sex Ed (state and matching funds). I think it should be good and complete to get the money.

I agree teaching responsibility is part and parcel of this.

Some kids are definitely not as dumb as you think. Some, actually are.


I don't thing kids are dumb at all! But when it comes to being actually educated to get in the real world and become responsible adults, that is something parents and the public education system has severely lacked and failed.

For instance when I grew up the first naked lady I saw was from a Penthouse magazine one of the neighbor kids found along the road. Instincts alone taught me not my parents. I had no talk of the birds or bees but yet it wasn't the damn school system I learned from but other kids who's parents didn't give a damn about what the did.

When my daughter was in grade school, I picked her up and brought her to my house. She was doing her home work and came in my room crying because she couldn't figure out her homework, which was "Estimating". Being I have done construction and actually grew up when the schools system actually taught kids important things like math and how to estimate, I for the life of me could NOT figure out what in the hell these idiots were trying to teach her. So I went on the internet and looked up Common Core Estimating......

Let me tell you something! If anybody out there who runs a business used this system to give potential clients quotes for jobs? They would be bankrupt within weeks!!!!

Sorry, but Sex Ed is something our school system has taken way too far and have spent way to GD much money on! All they need to know is how to have safe sex and what causes little babies to come out. No need to toss more money at nothing more than more dumbing down and influencing behaviors that would not have even been thought of in the first place!


They have spent too much GD money in most states and not given good information. Being a good parent, you provide good information. Not all are like that.

The behaviors are already thought of, think of yourself at the same age. be it 12 or 1 or 14 or 15. You cannot say you didn't think of them. You cannot say 'but, but....my child is different'.

Common core is a totally different topic.


NO! Common Core IS the topic! This IS the educational system being shoved down our youths throats! I am not blind nor stupid. I have seen the utterly pure sexual BS being introduced to the so called SEX ED in our schools and it sure as hell has nothing to do with teaching the science of sex NOR the responsibility of the decisions to have sex. It sure as hell does implant ideas in young minds though!



posted on Aug, 28 2016 @ 05:42 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: reldra

Common Core is NOT a totally different topic since you can find sex ed provisions under the guidelines for Common Core because they are tucking it into those standards in many places.


I did not know that. Still, sex ed is a good thing.

What I have seen of 'comon core' is like the 'new math' my mother complained about. And the 'new math' I complained about when my daughter was in school. It realy isn;t that bad. If you overlook the passed around few typos that circulate on the internet.

If the sex ed in common core is accurate, then it should stay in. It is common knowledge to be taught.

If that part of it is not accurate, it should be corrected.
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posted on Aug, 28 2016 @ 05:42 PM
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originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: reldra

Pregnancy, teen or otherwise used to be a matter of individual responsibility and liability.

Used to be, it wasn't the business of the state.

Funny little socialist world we're turning into.


I am saying it is the business of the state to attempt to reduce teen pregnancy as the outcome is normally a money drain on the state. Why would this be communism?


if the state stopped rewarding pregnancies, then the "state" could save spending our money.

Justification for state-sponsored governmental parenting.



posted on Aug, 28 2016 @ 05:43 PM
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originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: reldra

Screw Math, Science and all that other stuff right?

Let government run schools teach children snip that most learn on their own.


No damn wonder the US spends more in education YET has about the dumbest crop of rocks imaginable as a result......

Sorry but kids aren't as damn dumb as you think when it comes to sex. Perhaps instead of teaching them about dildos and how to put on condoms teaching them about being RESPONSIBLE for their decisions might be a better approach?



I don't mean that at all. Money is already being given for horrible and imcomplete Sex Ed (state and matching funds). I think it should be good and complete to get the money.

I agree teaching responsibility is part and parcel of this.

Some kids are definitely not as dumb as you think. Some, actually are.


I don't thing kids are dumb at all! But when it comes to being actually educated to get in the real world and become responsible adults, that is something parents and the public education system has severely lacked and failed.

For instance when I grew up the first naked lady I saw was from a Penthouse magazine one of the neighbor kids found along the road. Instincts alone taught me not my parents. I had no talk of the birds or bees but yet it wasn't the damn school system I learned from but other kids who's parents didn't give a damn about what the did.

When my daughter was in grade school, I picked her up and brought her to my house. She was doing her home work and came in my room crying because she couldn't figure out her homework, which was "Estimating". Being I have done construction and actually grew up when the schools system actually taught kids important things like math and how to estimate, I for the life of me could NOT figure out what in the hell these idiots were trying to teach her. So I went on the internet and looked up Common Core Estimating......

Let me tell you something! If anybody out there who runs a business used this system to give potential clients quotes for jobs? They would be bankrupt within weeks!!!!

Sorry, but Sex Ed is something our school system has taken way too far and have spent way to GD much money on! All they need to know is how to have safe sex and what causes little babies to come out. No need to toss more money at nothing more than more dumbing down and influencing behaviors that would not have even been thought of in the first place!


They have spent too much GD money in most states and not given good information. Being a good parent, you provide good information. Not all are like that.

The behaviors are already thought of, think of yourself at the same age. be it 12 or 1 or 14 or 15. You cannot say you didn't think of them. You cannot say 'but, but....my child is different'.

Common core is a totally different topic.


NO! Common Core IS the topic! This IS the educational system being shoved down our youths throats! I am not blind nor stupid. I have seen the utterly pure sexual BS being introduced to the so called SEX ED in our schools and it sure as hell has nothing to do with teaching the science of sex NOR the responsibility of the decisions to have sex. It sure as hell does implant ideas in young minds though!


It's not the topic. It is teaching health science. It is a thing already on the minds of students getting the information.

Next you will say the Devil is involved.
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posted on Aug, 28 2016 @ 05:44 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: reldra

Pregnancy, teen or otherwise used to be a matter of individual responsibility and liability.

Used to be, it wasn't the business of the state.

Funny little socialist world we're turning into.


I am saying it is the business of the state to attempt to reduce teen pregnancy as the outcome is normally a money drain on the state. Why would this be communism?


if the state stopped rewarding pregnancies, then the "state" could save spending our money.

Justification for state-sponsored governmental parenting.


Or go back further and prevent mnore teen pregnancies from even happening. Georgia should be ashamed.




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