What is the Day of the Lord?

originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: coomba98
In some respects, the two things go together. If one child in the playground is bullying another, and you pull him off, that is an act of "wrath" as experienced by the bully, and an act of "salvation" as experienced by his victim.

I can understand that point of view. But is the principle of the act of separating the bully and the victim the same as the principle surrounding The Day of the Lord?

I would say no. Were talking about a jealous god who throws tantrums when people arnt worshipping him. This is the main principle for there being A Day of the Lord. Or the worshippers who are sinners.

Thats why I interpret 'the effect of salvation for those who belong to the Lord.' as more of a side effect.

Coomba98

a reply to: Krazysh0t

But this idea of paradise confuses me. There can't be any way
you could maintain your identity and there be "no evil". My words now
are probably irking you to some degree. Look. To me, it sounds vaguely
like propaganda. "Hey guys. If we destroy all these non-believers and sinners
THIS one. Last. Time. All evil will be gone. But WAIT. I just HAPPEN to also
have the story about how it all works out for the next 1000 years."

In your confused understanding a sovereign God has no wisdom
or power to produce a people with his same character.

But this is exactly what the Son of God's ministry came to affect,
to produce a people that will imitate his life in every respect.

No one in Christendom disagrees that Christ committed NO SIN,
and He is now producing His Body of Christ who will live
JUST AS CHRIST LIVES to inhabit a world without
unrighteousness and sin.

The notion that evil is supposed to last forever has no basis
on truth in any religious doctrine, excluding a humanistic
satanic ideology of life.

a reply to: coomba98
I refer you to my previous thread, Jealousy and wrath are not emotions.
I knew there was a reason for doing that one first.

a reply to: MrBlaq

That's not true at all. Far eastern religion has a VASTLY different idea of good and evil than what Christians consider good and evil. Christians look at evil as something to be battled and overcome. Far eastern religion sees it as just an opposing force to good. The yin to the yang. You learn to harmonize with both. Not fight against them

While I don't believe either religion, the ideas of far eastern religion make more sense than Christianity's crazy war against evil. To be honest, my view is that evil and good are just positions of morality. Morality though is decided upon by the group doing the judging. This group can be as little as one other person or as large as a whole country or continent.

In other words, morality, good and evil, is simply in the eye of the beholder and how many other people you can get to agree with you.

a reply to: DISRAELI

I am guessing the lord does not care. But, if it did care, wouldn't every day be the same importance? Do you really think the lord of whatever even knows what a day is? Everything just is, doesn't matter that we here on this little planet have devised a 7 day week, in fact the only reason we have a 7 day week is because of the commercialization of the society we live in.

Every day is exactly the same. We could have 365 mondays it does not matter. Every year could be one day.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

That's not true at all. Far eastern religion has a VASTLY different
idea of good and evil than what Christians consider good and evil.
Christians look at evil as something to be battled and overcome. Far
eastern religion sees it as just an opposing force to good.
The yin to the yang. You learn to harmonize with both. Not fight against them

While I don't believe either religion, the ideas of far eastern religion
make more sense than Christianity's crazy war against evil. To be honest,
my view is that evil and good are just positions of morality. Morality though
is decided upon by the group doing the judging. This group can be as little
as one other person or as large as a whole country or continent.

In other words, morality, good and evil, is simply in the eye of the beholder.

Evil does have a purpose, just probably not the one you're implying,
as the Bible sufficiently indicates In the story of Job, Abimilech,
King Nebuchadnezzar, Joseph, Paul, and many others.

Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people
not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?

I don't believe in any Eastern religion, especially when they teach people
are reincarnated as a horse or a frog.

By the way, the Disciples of Christ DO NOT ADVOCATE WAR in
any form. That's only the purview and practice of those in
Christendom under the motive of false teachings.

Genuine Disciples of Christ will turn the other cheek.

a reply to: INEVERQUIT
I think you have responded to the title without reading the opening post.
You are thinking of the day of the week labelled "the Lord's Day". Check through the OP, and you will realise that I am talking about something different.

a reply to: DISRAELI

Yeah i read that one. Or first few pages of the thread.

As someone who is facinated by psychology of sentient beings, i disagree that jealousy and wrath are not emotions.

To me jealousy and wrath are very emotional. These emotions erraticate logical thoughts and actions as well as compasion and kindness.

Coomba98

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Actions derived from jealousy and wrath originate in thought processes. Their origin is not physical.

originally posted by: coomba98
As someone who is facinated by psychology of sentient beings, i disagree that jealousy and wrath are not emotions.

That is true about physical beings because emotions are the products of their physical nature.
My point was that the actions of God labelled as "jealousy and wrath" are not emotions. The labels are inaccurate, and being used only because humans have nothing better available.
That is why jibes based on presenting them as human emotions are beside the point.

originally posted by: MrBlaq
Evil does have a purpose, just probably not the one you're implying,
as the Bible sufficiently indicates In the story of Job, Abimilech,
King Nebuchadnezzar, Joseph, Paul, and many others.

But that's a HUGE waste considering the rampant number of people who fall prey to "evil". So evil can be used to save a handful of men (only men though. The women get the pleasure of being turned to salt or raping their father), but at the same time it destroys SO many more.

It makes for a good inspirational story, but when you consider the numbers that have to exist for such a "learning tool" to be effective, it really puts a downer on the amazingness of your god. Again it makes him sound like a dictator playing games with our lives. We're already promised a massive ethnic cleansing. This just adds to it.

I don't believe in any Eastern religion, especially when they teach people
are reincarnated as a horse or a frog.

I mean, do you. To me. Buddhism (what you are talking about with the reincarnation aspect) is a MUCH better description of how I'd imagine the after life to work. The idea that you WORK towards paradise and being with god. It isn't just handed to you because you managed to act correct for a measly 70 odd years out of eternity. Meanwhile everyone else gets screwed because they were just a means to an end to the other people's piety.

Are you an asshole? Well you're a frog next life. You a pretty cool dude? Well then you get to be a rich man's son or something. You get many experiences, including animals other than humans so you can experience EVERYTHING before you are reunited with the one or paradise.

Anyways, that's the way I see it. I still see both as narrow viewed and simplistic. Products of bygone eras. Not to say there isn't an afterlife. I just don't think any religions have nailed it down correctly. If one exists.

a reply to: Imhotepic

I'm not sure intrptr is capable of reading such a long and well thought out thread and providing a substantial response.

When the title IS IN THE FORM OF A QUESTION, a persons reply need not be a 'substantial response' to the entire post.
Actually,if person 'A' asks a question, the polite thing for person 'A' to do is to listen to a response prior to launching into their own answer.

I am not saying here that OP has been impolite, as Disraeli has not been so as minor decorum such as I point out above is not iron fast and need not be held to stringently for internet purposes.

You sir are another matter. Jumping in like that with such a slanderous statement against our fellow member might, by many Christian standards,cause one to want to re-evaluate ones own 'substantial response.

a reply to: DISRAELI

So a spirit cannot get angry cause it has no body?

Angels, demons etc etc. Does that mean their driven by something other than emotions?

So when God says he loves us....

Coomba98

a reply to: TerryMcGuire
In fact the topic of an ATS thread is not determined by the title alone, but by the title taken in conjunction with the opening post. Therefore I stand by my original reply pointing out that intrprtr needed to look at the OP before responding.
In this case, the title question was a rhetorical one, to which the opening post was offering an answer.

originally posted by: coomba98
So when God says he loves us....

I covered that point;

Since a God is necessarily ”impassive”, unaffected by human emotions, the emotions which are attributed to him, such as jealousy and wrath (and even love), are emotions only by analogy.

The theories about angels and demons are somewhat unbiblical, so I'm not going to get involved in discussing them.

The simple answer to the question is...

Today.

a reply to: IllegalName
May I suggest that you look at the opening post? I don't think you've done that yet.

originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: Krazysh0t
I've already told you. In Revelation ch21, there are "no murderers in the new Jerusalem". In the absence of murderers, there are no murders.

I though death would be vanquished. How can anyone be murdered when death is non-existent?

a reply to: DISRAELI

So Gods love is more of a need as opposed to what we perceive as love.

He 'needs' us to love him and worship him and do exactly what he says. Least his 'need' for attention be diminished.

Is that what your getting at?

What about when we die and go to heaven, would we have no emotions because we have no body? We'd be a spirit/soul. Or if we go to Hell? How are we tortured if we have no body? How can we despair and be fearful or terrified if we have no body?

Coomba98

a reply to: windword
That, of course, is another reason why there will be no murders.
But I brought up that reference because we had got into a debate about what happens to aggressiveness, and this was the nearest relevant word.
The point about the new Jerusalem description is the absence of evils in general.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

But that's a HUGE waste considering the rampant number of
people who fall prey to "evil". So evil can be used to save a handful
of men (only men though. The women get the pleasure of being
turned to salt or raping their father), but at the same time it destroys
SO many more.

It makes for a good inspirational story, but when you consider the numbers
that have to exist for such a "learning tool" to be effective, it really puts a
downer on the amazingness of your god. Again it makes him sound like a
dictator playing games with our lives. We're already promised a massive
ethnic cleansing. This just adds to it.

I mean, do you. To me. Buddhism (what you are talking about with the
reincarnation aspect) is a MUCH better description of how I'd imagine
the after life to work. The idea that you WORK towards paradise and being
with god. It isn't just handed to you because you managed to act correct
for a measly 70 odd years out of eternity. Meanwhile everyone else gets
screwed because they were just a means to an end to the other people's piety.

Are you an asshole? Well you're a frog next life. You a pretty cool dude?
Well then you get to be a rich man's son or something. You get many
experiences, including animals other than humans so you can experience
EVERYTHING before you are reunited with the one or paradise.

Anyways, that's the way I see it. I still see both as narrow viewed and
simplistic. Products of bygone eras. Not to say there isn't an afterlife.
I just don't think any religions have nailed it down correctly. If one exists.

You'll understand just how God is amazing when he delivers you and everyone else
from all evil. Your conception of Christian doctrine might be influenced by the
concept that God would produce man to live some 70 years of life, just
to burn him in a lake of fire for all eternity.

So I can understand why modern Christian doctrine is unpalatable to you.
But the modern Christian doctrines are not the teaching of the
Bible nor Christ.

Unfortunately the majority of Christendom are too lazy to even study
& understand that the Greek terms aion/aionios DO NOT MEAN ETERNITY,
but simply an age, as a period of time.

The Doctrine of Christ is glorious, unfortunately Christendom that advocates
the murdering of their enemies, and many other devious themes of theology
have corrupted and disparaged the truths of Christ.

I asked a Christian Pastor one day, if the scriptures state that God's mercy
endureth forever, how can he possibly have a place of torment for souls
burning for all eternity? Of course he had no answer.

Jer 29:11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the
LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.