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originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: coomba98
In some respects, the two things go together. If one child in the playground is bullying another, and you pull him off, that is an act of "wrath" as experienced by the bully, and an act of "salvation" as experienced by his victim.
But this idea of paradise confuses me. There can't be any way
you could maintain your identity and there be "no evil". My words now
are probably irking you to some degree. Look. To me, it sounds vaguely
like propaganda. "Hey guys. If we destroy all these non-believers and sinners
THIS one. Last. Time. All evil will be gone. But WAIT. I just HAPPEN to also
have the story about how it all works out for the next 1000 years."
That's not true at all. Far eastern religion has a VASTLY different
idea of good and evil than what Christians consider good and evil.
Christians look at evil as something to be battled and overcome. Far
eastern religion sees it as just an opposing force to good.
The yin to the yang. You learn to harmonize with both. Not fight against them
While I don't believe either religion, the ideas of far eastern religion
make more sense than Christianity's crazy war against evil. To be honest,
my view is that evil and good are just positions of morality. Morality though
is decided upon by the group doing the judging. This group can be as little
as one other person or as large as a whole country or continent.
In other words, morality, good and evil, is simply in the eye of the beholder.
Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people
not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
originally posted by: coomba98
As someone who is facinated by psychology of sentient beings, i disagree that jealousy and wrath are not emotions.
originally posted by: MrBlaq
Evil does have a purpose, just probably not the one you're implying,
as the Bible sufficiently indicates In the story of Job, Abimilech,
King Nebuchadnezzar, Joseph, Paul, and many others.
I don't believe in any Eastern religion, especially when they teach people
are reincarnated as a horse or a frog.
I'm not sure intrptr is capable of reading such a long and well thought out thread and providing a substantial response.
originally posted by: coomba98
So when God says he loves us....
Since a God is necessarily ”impassive”, unaffected by human emotions, the emotions which are attributed to him, such as jealousy and wrath (and even love), are emotions only by analogy.
But that's a HUGE waste considering the rampant number of
people who fall prey to "evil". So evil can be used to save a handful
of men (only men though. The women get the pleasure of being
turned to salt or raping their father), but at the same time it destroys
SO many more.
It makes for a good inspirational story, but when you consider the numbers
that have to exist for such a "learning tool" to be effective, it really puts a
downer on the amazingness of your god. Again it makes him sound like a
dictator playing games with our lives. We're already promised a massive
ethnic cleansing. This just adds to it.
I mean, do you. To me. Buddhism (what you are talking about with the
reincarnation aspect) is a MUCH better description of how I'd imagine
the after life to work. The idea that you WORK towards paradise and being
with god. It isn't just handed to you because you managed to act correct
for a measly 70 odd years out of eternity. Meanwhile everyone else gets
screwed because they were just a means to an end to the other people's piety.
Are you an asshole? Well you're a frog next life. You a pretty cool dude?
Well then you get to be a rich man's son or something. You get many
experiences, including animals other than humans so you can experience
EVERYTHING before you are reunited with the one or paradise.
Anyways, that's the way I see it. I still see both as narrow viewed and
simplistic. Products of bygone eras. Not to say there isn't an afterlife.
I just don't think any religions have nailed it down correctly. If one exists.
Jer 29:11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the
LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.